Specwar vs Saker vs Omega and Spectre vs Sparrow vs Warlock

[TyFromMD]

Where's your shop? Sales tax included?

 

[dontpanic]

The last couple weeks I put 3000rnds of gemtech 22 subsonics through my sparrow without cleaning, used on both rifles and pistols. Yeah, it was bad! However, after a couple love taps, the tube popped out and I was able to start cleaning. That's not recommended to go that long without cleaning a 22 suppressor, but that just shows you how the Sparrow is king when it comes to cleanability. The clam shells surrounding the monocore were the WORST!!! That alone took me nearly an hour to scrape off. It's scary how much molten lead a 22 round produces.

I think I was talking to you about this. Last week in 2A Sales.

It has me pretty much sold on the Sparrow.

 

[ericoak]

Where's your shop? Sales tax included?

GA. QuietRiotFirearms.com

They have an online website for out of state. Got a Tirant .45 for $500+tax.

 

[TyFromMD]

Maryland needs a place that sells at those prices. I'd buy a lot of silencers.

 

[SWO Daddy]

You realize that the Sparrow is also SS and full auto rated, and rated for 22WMR and 5.7, right? And the Sparrow is quieter, lighter, and shorter.

http://www.silencerco.com/products/sparrow-22/

Ignoring the additional cost, the Sparrow is the suppressor to beat. That's just an objective assessment.

What? The Spectre II is every bit as quiet. It certainty has less FRP.

It's rated for the same calibers. It's considerably cheaper. You can tumble it which I'm not even sure is possible with the sparrow.

 

[bobthefisher]

I think I was talking to you about this. Last week in 2A Sales.

It has me pretty much sold on the Sparrow.

No problem, glad to help. There are many monocore 22 suppressors on the market now, but only a couple with the clam shell design. I think Tactical Solutions produces a near copy of the Sparrow. How they got around SilencerCo's patents is beyond me.

With all that being said, SilencerCo's customer service is second to none. They pay for shipping both ways, and even fix stupid... once.

The K baffle designs such as the Spectre, Warlock, and other companies will always beat out a monocore design. The K baffles have the best performance, as far as sound suppression and very little FRP. But, they're a BITCH to clean for 22 suppressors. The molten lead builds up in the inner cavities and unless you clean it after EVERY use, you will be hating life.

In today's suppressor market, I always recommend new 22 suppressor owners to get the Sparrow first, and then get another 22 suppressor afterwards for special purpose needs (i.e. ultra light). I'm currently at that point, where the Sparrow has worked wonderfully for me for many thousands of rounds, but now I'm looking for something super small and super light, with overall sound suppression not the top priority. I've been shooting my Mossad assassin pistol, the Beretta Model 71 for the last month and need a 22 suppressor with those characteristics, but that's a specialty need and not something a first time buyer should consider.

Basically start with the best, and if you got the extra cash, then fill in the gaps where necessary.

Sight picture is crap with the Sparrow on the Model 71.

 

[OrbitalEllipses]

Sight picture is crap with the Sparrow on the Model 71.

Always thought it was point shooting or contact shot distance for guns like that.

 

[ericoak]

I was able to get them to match another gun store so I'm getting a SpecWar 5.56 for $450 and Spectre for $300 plus tax and NFA tax.

 

[IMBLITZVT]

I was able to get them to match another gun store so I'm getting a SpecWar 5.56 for $450 and Spectre for $300 plus tax and NFA tax.

Jon's research had him buying the Saker 556 and the Spectre II. He usually does a pretty in depth bit of research.

At least on paper the Omega really seems to be the best mix of the Saker and Specwar... Quieter than both with 556, about a half in longer than saker, half in shorter than Specwar. Lighter than both. Optional muzzle brake. Ablility to shoot 30 Caliber without any real loss when shooting 223...

I have not made up my mind which I will be buying but I am thinking Omega. I am waiting to see some reviews.

I have not done as much research on the 22 cans. However with the loud FRP of the sparrow, I am thinking Spectre.

As you might guess, price here is almost meaningless to me. I am going to buy the best.

 

[Alderleet]

Sight picture is crap with the Sparrow on the Model 71.
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Have you looked into taller sight options?

I just used a silver sharpie on the top index point on the back of my sparrow, but thats pretty crappy for sights.

 

[dontpanic]

I was able to get them to match another gun store so I'm getting a SpecWar 5.56 for $450 and Spectre for $300 plus tax and NFA tax.

Wow. $450 is a great deal on the Specwar.

 

[OrbitalEllipses]

Jon's research had him buying the Saker 556 and the Spectre II. He usually does a pretty in depth bit of research.

At least on paper the Omega really seems to be the best mix of the Saker and Specwar... Quieter than both with 556, about a half in longer than saker, half in shorter than Specwar. Lighter than both. Optional muzzle brake. Ablility to shoot 30 Caliber without any real loss when shooting 223...

I have not made up my mind which I will be buying but I am thinking Omega. I am waiting to see some reviews.

I have not done as much research on the 22 cans. However with the loud FRP of the sparrow, I am thinking Spectre.

As you might guess, price here is almost meaningless to me. I am going to buy the best.

dB figures on the Omega are with the brake - per SCO, removing the brake increases dB as measured by approximately 3dB. Beyond that, with the QD equipment it's not much shorter than any other 30cal can and the added 3 or 4oz gets it nearly to 20oz total... the Omega was marketed well, but it falls apart under scrutiny IMO.

 

[shooterhyde]

I put my order in for an Omega can. I thought it would be a good multi-caliber can as I can use it for 5.56, .300, and my.270 if desired. My first can too.

 

[IMBLITZVT]

dB figures on the Omega are with the brake - per SCO, removing the brake increases dB as measured by approximately 3dB. Beyond that, with the QD equipment it's not much shorter than any other 30cal can and the added 3 or 4oz gets it nearly to 20oz total... the Omega was marketed well, but it falls apart under scrutiny IMO.

This is the kind of stuff I am hearing.

Why would the brake drop that much off the dB? Seems like a lot for a brake.

I see what you mean on the OAL. Yeah thats a lot of sh@t. I hate when they play games like that. Especially between their own cans...

I will probably end up with a Saker.

 

[ducrider45]

I have the Saker 7.62, Tirant 45, SpectreII and Sparrow.
Id get the Saker 7.62 as you can always get the 5.56 end cap for it. I like the Saker over the other options because of the mount and end cap features.
as for the .22 cans. the sparrow does well, and it can be cleaned with ease. the SpectreII is better on handguns, but it is a pain to clean. for rifles: Sparrow, for handguns: Spectre II.

 

[OrbitalEllipses]

This is the kind of stuff I am hearing.

Why would the brake drop that much off the dB? Seems like a lot for a brake.

I see what you mean on the OAL. Yeah thats a lot of sh@t. I hate when they play games like that. Especially between their own cans...

I will probably end up with a Saker.

If I hadn't decided to get a dedicated 5.56 can, I'd have gotten the SpecWar 7.62 personally...but it's SO heavy.

I'm not sure why the brake drops that many dB, but it might be an artifact of measurement such that the measurement methodology is somewhat flawed. Removing the brake lessens OAL, but yeah you add quite a bit of length with the QD module. When they originally launched the can around SHOT it seemed too good to be true - as quiet or quieter than a SpecWar 7.62 shooting subcal, lighter, and shorter. It may or may not be all of those depending on your configuration.

 

[ducrider45]

No problem, glad to help. There are many monocore 22 suppressors on the market now, but only a couple with the clam shell design. I think Tactical Solutions produces a near copy of the Sparrow. How they got around SilencerCo's patents is beyond me.

With all that being said, SilencerCo's customer service is second to none. They pay for shipping both ways, and even fix stupid... once.

The K baffle designs such as the Spectre, Warlock, and other companies will always beat out a monocore design. The K baffles have the best performance, as far as sound suppression and very little FRP. But, they're a BITCH to clean for 22 suppressors. The molten lead builds up in the inner cavities and unless you clean it after EVERY use, you will be hating life.

In today's suppressor market, I always recommend new 22 suppressor owners to get the Sparrow first, and then get another 22 suppressor afterwards for special purpose needs (i.e. ultra light). I'm currently at that point, where the Sparrow has worked wonderfully for me for many thousands of rounds, but now I'm looking for something super small and super light, with overall sound suppression not the top priority. I've been shooting my Mossad assassin pistol, the Beretta Model 71 for the last month and need a 22 suppressor with those characteristics, but that's a specialty need and not something a first time buyer should consider.

Basically start with the best, and if you got the extra cash, then fill in the gaps where necessary.

Sight picture is crap with the Sparrow on the Model 71.
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I have the same setup! I like to run my Spetre II for the sight issue. Plus I found that a bit of paint on the front sight works wonders. this is one of my favorite pistols to shoot suppressed.

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[ducrider45]

I think I was talking to you about this. Last week in 2A Sales.

It has me pretty much sold on the Sparrow.

That may have been me. lol! I was just telling someone of my 2000 rds without cleaning in my Sparrow at 2A Sales last week. I had to go 9 rounds of "the dip" to clean it.

 

[bobthefisher]

That may have been me. lol! I was just telling someone of my 2000 rds without cleaning in my Sparrow at 2A Sales last week. I had to go 9 rounds of "the dip" to clean it.

LOL! There's too many of us... run!

I talk to so many people at the shops around MD that it's hard to keep track. Anyway, I think I saw your setup on this forum a month ago and just had to get one myself. It's a cool little pistol! Thanks for the idea.

 

[ironpony]

what is the form 4 trust turn around right now, too lazy to look, blaming that on you guys though!