So DC gets constitutional carry, but not Md ?

[Mr H]

so will my Utah CC work in DC soon? im guessing they would have to come to some sort of agreement on this?

With the ruling in force, it's not needed.

If there is a stay in place, it's irrelevant.

Continue reading, and stay tuned. It will change pretty often, I think.

 

[swinokur]

I give up.

 

[rambling_one]

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around Maryland's stance that carrying $ to a bank is a "good and substantial reason," while accompanying my spouse in crime ridden PG Co. doesn't cut the mustard.

Maybe it's me - I can't get that "equal protection" thingy out of my mind.

 

[Mr H]

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around Maryland's stance that carrying $ to a bank is a "good and substantial reason," while accompanying my spouse in crime ridden PG Co. doesn't cut the mustard.

Maybe it's me - I can't get that "equal protection" thingy out of my mind.

I hearya... I tell folks regularly that MD will grant a permit "...for things they consider more valuable than your life."

I like how Judge Scullin invoked both 5A and 14A protections in the decision. We've been looking for something like this for some time.

Fingers crossed BIGtime. I just hope everyoner keeps their head about them.

 

[Threeband]

I am more and more infuriated over how we got screwed by the Woollard "Fix".

 

[Gryphon]

DC may be in for a similar screwing depending on the panel

 

[mudskipper]

Hard to believe, MD will probably be the LAST State or territory to become ( shall issue ) kicking and screaming all the way there.

Oh, you're quite wrong about that.

Maryland will never become shall-issue.

Kicking, screaming, yes, and then in the end, they will just ignore the law and say "so sue us" over and over. They have AG and staff of lawyers who can and will lose every case involving carry that is brought before a court... All paid for and funded by you guys who still live there. And when the case is found in favor of the plaintiff, then that plaintiff will get a CCW license.

Do you you really think everyone is going to go to the trouble of of spending multiple tens of thousands of dollars and years in court waiting for a permit?

Of course not.

 

[hdatontodo]

Someone made a funny post on Emily' Miller's facebook post about the 5:30 news (Monday)

"New law-to obtain a carry permit in DC you must have been already killed to show good and substantial reason"

 

[Mr H]

Someone made a funny post on Emily' Miller's facebook post about the 5:30 news (Monday)

"New law-to obtain a carry permit in DC you must have been already killed to show good and substantial reason"

Even that'll get twisted into more misinformation...

 

[eruby]

Someone made a funny post on Emily' Miller's facebook post about the 5:30 news (Monday)

"New law-to obtain a carry permit in DC you must have been already killed to show good and substantial reason"

Or you must have previously had some biitch set you up.

 

[teratos]

Oh, you're quite wrong about that.

Maryland will never become shall-issue.

Kicking, screaming, yes, and then in the end, they will just ignore the law and say "so sue us" over and over. They have AG and staff of lawyers who can and will lose every case involving carry that is brought before a court... All paid for and funded by you guys who still live there. And when the case is found in favor of the plaintiff, then that plaintiff will get a CCW license.

Do you you really think everyone is going to go to the trouble of of spending multiple tens of thousands of dollars and years in court waiting for a permit?

Of course not.

I would have thought that Chicago would have done the same. Perhaps we will be pleasantly surprised.

 

[Pinecone]

Also, I would NOT carry in any federal building

Federal buildings, it is illegal to have a firearm. So if you work on one, you cannot carry to work, then put the firearm in your briefcase. Still not legal.

 

[Pinecone]

My biggest concern is that there is so much Federal property in DC. I don't know which buildings are owned by the Federal government. If the Federal government has just one office in a building, is it a government building? I know that I cannot carry in a post office. For me, there are too many unknowns for me to try it.

No, in that case only the office or floors that the Feds occupy are Federal space.

 

[Pinecone]

Oh, you're quite wrong about that.

Maryland will never become shall-issue.

Kicking, screaming, yes, and then in the end, they will just ignore the law and say "so sue us" over and over. They have AG and staff of lawyers who can and will lose every case involving carry that is brought before a court... All paid for and funded by you guys who still live there. And when the case is found in favor of the plaintiff, then that plaintiff will get a CCW license.

Do you you really think everyone is going to go to the trouble of of spending multiple tens of thousands of dollars and years in court waiting for a permit?

Of course not.

Unless they get a decision like this one that allows carry WITHOUT a permit, and court approval of any laws they want to try to come up with.

They would have to go to shall issue, or they will be like Vermont and now DC, no permit required.

 

[TxAggie]

Oh, you're quite wrong about that.



Maryland will never become shall-issue.



Kicking, screaming, yes, and then in the end, they will just ignore the law and say "so sue us" over and over. They have AG and staff of lawyers who can and will lose every case involving carry that is brought before a court... All paid for and funded by you guys who still live there. And when the case is found in favor of the plaintiff, then that plaintiff will get a CCW license.



Do you you really think everyone is going to go to the trouble of of spending multiple tens of thousands of dollars and years in court waiting for a permit?



Of course not.

You could have sad the same thing about a dozen states no more than 20 years ago, now look where we are.

True, MD was able to pass their AWB, but the public in general has come to see assault weapons and handguns as 2 distinct issues. John Q. Public can rationally invision their daughter fighting off a rapist with a concealed carry pistol, not so much with an AR.

 

[Pinecone]

I hearya... I tell folks regularly that MD will grant a permit "...for things they consider more valuable than your life."

Which I just LOVE, because you cannot use deadly force in the protection of property (except in Texas).

So why give permits to people who have property to protect??????

 

[aquaman]

Oh, you're quite wrong about that.

Maryland will never become shall-issue.

Kicking, screaming, yes, and then in the end, they will just ignore the law and say "so sue us" over and over. They have AG and staff of lawyers who can and will lose every case involving carry that is brought before a court... All paid for and funded by you guys who still live there. And when the case is found in favor of the plaintiff, then that plaintiff will get a CCW license.

Do you you really think everyone is going to go to the trouble of of spending multiple tens of thousands of dollars and years in court waiting for a permit?

Of course not.

If Illinois fell, so will MD. Then it will be HI,CA,NJ and NY. The writing is on the wall, its over for the anti's they are on borrowed time and they know it

 

[Inigoes]

If Illinois fell, so will MD. Then it will be HI,CA,NJ and NY. The writing is on the wall, its over for the anti's they are on borrowed time and they know it

HI, and CA already fell.

 

[TxAggie]

For the experts:
1) are there ANY states where an increased number of CC licenses showed a long-term increase in prosecuted homicides?

2) is there any long-term data on the instances of self defense shootings on states that institute shall issue? What I'm getting at here is I would obviously expect reports of SD shootings to spike for a few years after Shall Issue. But what about 5-10 years? Has there been a decrease in justified SD shootings due to an increased awareness by criminals that they could be shot?

 

[T'Challa]

HI, and CA already fell.

NJ, NY, and MD may never fall unless it is done at the State level. The Fed see's MD's law as regulating CC, not banning it.... G&S is what is keeping most from getting a CC in MD. With that said, what can be done in Annapolis in 2015? Who will be the next Mike? Not trying to go off topic, but what is the next step for MD?