Contrary to popular belief, not many of those experiences correlate with teaching concealed carry. It's great advertising, just like young thin large breasted women in beer ads.
I'm late to the party. But, my understanding is Otwell is not only partner/owner of ATFT but he also is a owner or partner in a security company.
I took a class with with them and he mentioned wanting the requirements to be raised and how other trainers in the area shouldn't be training people with just a NRA cert. It didn't really sit well with me. Supply and demand, less trainers means classes must cost more.
He is both right and wrong at the same time.
Many reasons here to do some investigating and talking to the instructor before taking a course. Ask the questions.
TD
I agree there are levels of competence, and that a student must practice skills after learning them to improve. Perhaps a change in wordage is in order upon advertising courses.With all due Respect for Training Providers of your inclinations , who strive to provide the level of skills and knowledge they feel is * Wise * / They wish to impart - It is truely Two Different Things .
It is not physically possible to take someone from Zero ( or casual recreational plinking ) to Actual Competence in a net time of 8 hrs ( 16hr minus MSP verbatim content , minus running everyone through the mandated COF . ( Yes it is a Training Goal to provide a little bit more , in a few areas . But can't approach Comprehensive , and a degree of subjectivity as to which skills are prioritized to squeeze in .)
The 16hr W&C classes are a Poll Tax . You have to pay , to get Permission Slip .
Actual Competence ( or your thoughtful and knowing level thereof ) needs voluntarily pursuing afterwards . ( Or before for that matter , if that's how you roll .)
Yup, agreedWhat Miles is trying to say is that there are many instructors out there that only teach to the minimum required standard; for the same amount of time and money a student can take a class that starts them on their way to something beyond the poll tax. If you are going to spend the time and money it should be worth spending.
That has been my class preamble for 10 years.
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.The new required curriculum, which several on MDS pleaded for prior to it's enactment, decreased the hours available for teaching a more than poll tax class. Not only do I advise my students to seek more training, I encourage them to take classes from other instructors to widen their depth of understanding.
It's possible. Not likely, but possible.It is not physically possible to take someone from Zero ( or casual recreational plinking ) to Actual Competence in a net time of 8 hrs ( 16hr
Bigfoot is right, it isn't going to happen for the average student.It's possible. Not likely, but possible.
That's my experience. I remind them that no one will leave the class at John Wick.I tell every class after each drill that they have not mastered anything, I instead give them the tools to improve. They are to take the drills and put in the time on their own. Not all, or even most, will.
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As with so many other discussions, it depends on how you define 'competent.'Bigfoot is right, it isn't going to happen for the average student.
I agree wholeheartedly, so why are we requiring this training to be so robust at a time when we all have every piece of information available in our pockets?So English as a second language teachers should be held liable if one of their students yells "Fire" in a theatre?
Driving instructors should be liable if a student of theirs kills someone while driving?
There should be no point at which an instructor should be held liable in civil court.
Because it's not training, it's a roadblockI agree wholeheartedly, so why are we requiring this training to be so robust at a time when we all have every piece of information available in our pockets?
Because it's not training, it's a roadblock
So why are we allowing our legislators to feed us misinformation?