Ruger 10/22 takedown vs M&P 15-22

[Pretoria78]

15-22 any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

 

[giggity]

I still think I'd prefer one of these over the 15/22.
http://www.tacticalsol.com/ar-22-complete-rifles/ar-22-m4

$900 for an AR that only shoots 22LR, no freakin way!

 

[dontpanic]

I still think I'd prefer one of these over the 15/22.
http://www.tacticalsol.com/ar-22-complete-rifles/ar-22-m4

You could just get one of thier uppers for about $525. About the same price as a 15-22. Then you can use your lower with any upgrades you have made.

I have a Chiappa .22 upper. It cost about $300. Thousands of rounds through it. Much better option than a 15-22. There are a number of .22 uppers available for less than a 15-22.

I also own a 10/22 TD. It is really starting to bore me.

 

[AJRB]

15/22 has rendered the 10/22 obsolete IMO.

15/22 can take AR15 triggers like a 2 stage geiselle (Yes Ruger makes an affordable drop in but its not a 2 stage)

There's no .22 autoloader on the market that can match the performance, simplicity, cost, and weight of the 15/22.

The only down side to the 15/22 IMO is repair parts are not readily available like the 10/22.

Oh wow I thought I was stuck with this trigger, had no idea I could upgrade it!!

Has anyone tried one of these new MFT minimalist stocks on the 1522? Think I may scoop one to see how it fits.

 

[rbird7282]

10/22 every day of the week. One is time-tested, the other has a plastic receiver.

Yep.

 

[steveh326]

well according to UPS tracking, after today I'll be the happy owner of both. the 15-22 sure is fun to shoot, and is great for introducing new shooters to the hobby, but I'm also looking forward to plinking with the 10/22 td and being able to take it to deer camp for some cheap fun.

 

[photoracer]

15-22 is definitely more fun to shoot. Generally don't let your kids or significant other shoot it however. Too many on the S&W forum have found that they took over theirs and they had to buy another one to get one for themselves again. Not to mention the ammo bills. I'm sorry to say inspite of how good you can make the 10/22 (I have 2) if the 10/22 and the 15-22 had comeout at the same time (obviously not possible) the 10/22 would today be relegated to the same niche as the Remington 597 and we would have likely one 15-22 for every person in the US in circulation. I have 2 of each these days but until I finally built a 10/22 that could out speed shoot either of my 15-22s I felt I didn't need a 10/22 at all. I already had a Rem 597 that could shoot sub-MOA so I didn't feel the need for even building a 10/22. At least the 597 has a mag release closer in character to the AR. I can say that the 10/22 is more reliable than the 597 but the 15-22 is just as reliable. Jury is still out on whether an AR-22 might be better than either. Hope to do that testing this year once the last piece of the AR puzzle is delivered to me.

 

[protegeV]

15-22 is definitely more fun to shoot. Generally don't let your kids or significant other shoot it however. Too many on the S&W forum have found that they took over theirs and they had to buy another one to get one for themselves again. Not to mention the ammo bills. I'm sorry to say inspite of how good you can make the 10/22 (I have 2) if the 10/22 and the 15-22 had comeout at the same time (obviously not possible) the 10/22 would today be relegated to the same niche as the Remington 597 and we would have likely one 15-22 for every person in the US in circulation. I have 2 of each these days but until I finally built a 10/22 that could out speed shoot either of my 15-22s I felt I didn't need a 10/22 at all. I already had a Rem 597 that could shoot sub-MOA so I didn't feel the need for even building a 10/22. At least the 597 has a mag release closer in character to the AR. I can say that the 10/22 is more reliable than the 597 but the 15-22 is just as reliable. Jury is still out on whether an AR-22 might be better than either. Hope to do that testing this year once the last piece of the AR puzzle is delivered to me.

I can personally attest to this, although I haven't given in to buying another one yet.

 

[photoracer]

I still think I'd prefer one of these over the 15/22.
http://www.tacticalsol.com/ar-22-complete-rifles/ar-22-m4

No you wouldn't. They are not as reliable as the 15-22 (or the 10/22 either in my book once modified). That is not to say you can't build a reliable AR-22 because I have one but it has a lot of exotic parts from Taccom on it. I have seen a number of TacSol equipped ARs at the Ruger/NSSF World and Regional events over the last 4 years and even the best had some issues (including the one used by BJ Norris to win the 2011 Ruger WC). I have used 15-22 in the rain (2013 Ruger WC) and every winter in my club (2011-2014) with no problems at all.

 

[photoracer]

I can personally attest to this, although I haven't given in to buying another one yet.

That is the reason S&W came out with all those girly color combos last year. If you show them they can get more appropriate colors they won't be so quick to steal your 15-22.

 

[Rangeman]

I have both. My 10/22 (not TD) I bought in 1977.
Both are set up for off-hand shooting: The 15-22 has a big red dot scope (on a riser) Light and can shoot "all day" at tennis balls and dirty bird targets!
Have a scope on the Ruger......like both

 

[bshedwick]

I love my 15-22. Awesome rifle.

 

[protegeV]

I love my 15-22. Awesome rifle.

Yup

 

[Shoot To Thrill]

I love my 15-22. Awesome rifle.

Same here. Mine was very accurate right out of the box. I have a 10/22 (not TD) and a Remington 597. I like the 10/22 but I think it is my least favorite of the three. Of course you can but both the 10/22 and Remington for the price of the 15-22.

 

[protegeV]

Same here. Mine was very accurate right out of the box. I have a 10/22 (not TD) and a Remington 597. I like the 10/22 but I think it is my least favorite of the three. Of course you can but both the 10/22 and Remington for the price of the 15-22.

I shot a 10/22 and it just feels cheap
I think the only allure to me would be the takedown feature.

 

[photoracer]

15/22 has rendered the 10/22 obsolete IMO.

15/22 field strips without tools
15/22 does not require a special model to "take down"
15/22 barrel can be cleaned PROPERLY from the rear without tools and mods
15/22 is easier for a novice to service the BCG and FCG
15/22 barrel is threaded (Yes SOME 10/22 models are threaded)
15/22 magazines drop free
15/22 barrel is floated
15/22 stock is adjustable (Yes SOME 10/22 models are adjustable)
15/22 has a last shot hold open (Yes SOME 10/22 aftermarket mags can BHO)
15/22 mags load easier and are more affordable
15/22 is equipped with a rail system to mount forward grips, bipods, and other accessories (Yes some 10/22s have rails)
15/22 mimicks the American Rifle in every way
15/22 can take AR15 triggers like a 2 stage geiselle (Yes Ruger makes an affordable drop in but its not a 2 stage)
15/22 is more quiet suppressed
15/22 barrel can be shortened without loosing the front sight
15/22 can co witness optics and irons
15/22 takes AR 15 pistol grips, BUIS, and Stocks

There's no .22 autoloader on the market that can match the performance, simplicity, cost, and weight of the 15/22.

The only down side to the 15/22 IMO is repair parts are not readily available like the 10/22.

Every one of your points is valid. Having competed for 3+ years in speed competition with a 15-22 I agree with every one. Except maybe the word "performance", which can mean different things to different people.
Back in 2010 when they came out they were rare but as the years went by they became the majority around 2013 and into 2014. But then something strange happened, the percentage of 10/22s started going back up. Biggest issue was weight. While a 15-22 seems incredibly light compared to a real AR you can't get enough weigh off of them to get much below the 5 lb barrier. You can build a 10/22 that can end up in the mid 3 lb range. Lighter weight means faster transition speed. As for triggers my ARs and 15-22s have a mix of Geissele, JP, Timney, and RRA triggers. My 10/22s have Timney and Volquartsen. The lightest you can get an AR/15-22 trigger is around 2.5# without trigger work. The lightest you can get in a 10/22 is about 8 oz. but you can't use a trigger that light in speed competition (safety reasons). But you can get plenty of triggers in the 2-3# range that have fast lockups and short travel. For instance Timney's AR trigger feel almost the same as their 10/22, a very fast single stage trigger with a 3# pull.
I have owned a 15-22 since 2011. I have owned a 10/22 only since last September. I am already faster with the 10/22 than with the 15-22. Still if the only issue is weight then my newly rebuilt AR-22 that only weighs only about 3 lbs and change should be faster if that is the only issue.
Here are examples of the max you can build for events like Steel Challenge in the rimfire rifle division. In Steel Challenge being able to drop the mag free is not an advantage although there are large rimfire events that require mag changes where it is.

The 15-22 weighs 4 lbs. 12 oz.
The AR-22 weighs 3 lbs. 4 oz.
The top 10/22 weighs 3 lbs. 10 oz.
The bottom 10/22 weighs 3 lbs. 14 oz.




I will say this, the funnest rifle out of the box is the 15-22 and it is no contest.

 

[Clem]

Different strokes I guess. Having both I would go with the 10/22. That said the marlin 39 is just as easy to seperate and that would be my choice over either.

I think the 39A Mountie would be a viable choice to break down and carry. It has a 20" barrel, but is out of production and difficult to find. The 24" barrel of the standard 39A is a bit long.

I also have a 10/22 TD and a TACSOL AR-22LT. They are pretty different. The TD would make a superior gun for a trip in the woods, but that is just me.

 

[rockstarr]

I have both and enjoy shooting the 15-22 way more. My 10-22 takedown is just a pain in the ass to shoot imo. My fat fingers hate having to fool with that retched bolt to lock the bolt back and sent it forward.

The only reason I haven't sold the 10-22 TD is I haven't been offered enough. Damn thing has only has 3 ten round mags fired through it too. Practically new

 

[bkuether]

I have both as well. If you said to me, Brad, bring one .22 to the SHTF event, it would be my 10/22. I love the 15/2 and agree it is the most fun. However, If I had to survive it would be the Ruger by a mile.