Question regarding firearm possession/carry at work

[redeemed.man]

LOL...Thanks buddy.

Hey, I have lost 14 pounds in the last 4 weeks. I don't know about concealing a 12 gauge, but I don't think I'd have a problem with an S&W 500, lol.

I didn't mean fat just man size big.

 

[swinokur]

sure you did.

 

[71Chevelle427]

I didn't mean fat just man size big.

sure you did.

I could figure it out, and...

IANARS <<<------------------------- I am not a rocket scientist....lol.

I know Mike. Just having fun after a stressful day.

 

[DanGuy48]

Rso.. personally don't think it's covered under supervisory position. I think that supervisory is for employed personnel.. Not guest/students/clients.

My 2 ¢

Yeah, I wonder if this is just subject to interpretation when a case arises. Plenty of LEOs are in ranges and gun stores with RSOs and other employees open carrying. Is there a reason (beyond this IS Maryland) to be concerned you think?

 

[lx1x]

Yeah, I wonder if this is just subject to interpretation when a case arises. Plenty of LEOs are in ranges and gun stores with RSOs and other employees open carrying. Is there a reason (beyond this IS Maryland) to be concerned you think?

Private gun ranges.. You acting as an RSO. Don't think you'll be breaking any law. It's a gun range.. Everyone has a loaded gun..
Edit:
It also depends on ranges sop. I know the private range/club I belong to... We are not allowed holstered gun in certain part of the range if we are in active rso duty.
/edit

I see it being a problem. Some place like elks neck or myrtle grove (state owned ranges). You don't want to wonder past the shooting pad.. Ie. Walking in the parking lot with loaded gun holstered (open or concealed).

 

[Mr H]

IMO, the range question is moot, as carry is good at formal or informal target shoots.

 

[Jaybeez]

What is "the confines of the business establishment?"

caselaw.findlaw.com/md-court-of-appeals/1645512.html


Blue v Prince Georges County answered this question a couple years ago. inside the building.

 

[DanGuy48]

This link worked for me...above did not for some reason...said couldn't find server, even when copied and pasted.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/md-court-of-appeals/1645512.html

IANAL but it appears that this says you're OK within the walls of the actual establishment but you're SOL if you walk out the door.

 

[protegeV]

caselaw.findlaw.com/md-court-of-appeals/1645512.html


Blue v Prince Georges County answered this question a couple years ago. inside the building.

so what if your "business establishment" has no building?

 

[redeemed.man]

so what if your "business establishment" has no building?

Thinking of opening a lemonade stand sir?

 

[lx1x]

Thinking of opening a sweet lemonade stand sir?

Fify.


Or traveling salesman.

 

[71Chevelle427]

Thinking of opening a lemonade stand sir?

Lmao!!

 

[swinokur]

MD law already allows carry to and from a range as long as the gun is unloaded and encased.. not sure how this play out once there. perhaps why they don't want any kind of carry once there. you'd simply be in legal possession at the range

good question though.

RSO's might be considered supervisory "employees" of the range

 

[campns]

Technically, I am a supervisory employee so that should be one less issue. The owner of the business, also owns the property we reside at. A friend suggested just bringing in my little pistol grip 12 gauge and storing it in my office during business hours. The issue is that I have several overhead doors that are normally open here, which allow fairly easy access to anyone who chooses to trespass, and I'm not always in the office, obviously.

Thanks for the reply.

you could always go this route:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002TOKR6W?keywords=wall safe&qid=1444684858&ref_=sr_1_15&sr=8-15

http://www.amazon.com/Barska-Large-...unting-fishing&ie=UTF8&qid=1444684957&sr=1-11

http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-Spee...X1J++EL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR109,160_

 

[mac1_131]

Yeah, I wonder if this is just subject to interpretation when a case arises. Plenty of LEOs are in ranges and gun stores with RSOs and other employees open carrying. Is there a reason (beyond this IS Maryland) to be concerned you think?

Anyone can carry at a range. How else could you shoot?

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[esqappellate]

I was looking around here and elsewhere, but I cannot seem to find the info I am looking for.

I thought I had read somewhere that you could carry on private property without any sort of license or permit?

This is not MY property, but my employer's property and after an event that took place here this morning, I would feel much better having access to some sort of self defense, aside from a baseball bat, or a "monkey" wrench...

IF, I have permission from the property owner (my boss), can I carry, either openly, or concealed, as long as I stay on the property?

If not, am I legally allowed to bring a firearm with me, and lock it or otherwise store it in an accessible location?

Thanks in advance for any guidance or advice.

If it isn't your property, and it isn't one of the other specified places in Crim Law Section 4-203, the answer is quite definitely NO! Here is the rule: carry and possession (loaded or unloaded) is totally banned in MD, EXCEPT for those specific places specified in 4-203. A property owner (I am assuming this is not a range or gunsmith or your dealer) is not among those places. It matters not at all whether the property owner has given you permission.

 

[Mark75H]

If an RSO can issue an order to cease fire anmd make the range cold, wouldn't that be supervisory?

Cease fire is not an order reserved to RSO's

 

[Max Power]

Slight thread drift but under the old law in Mich, concealed carry was illegal except for licensed persons, LEOs, and people carrying on their property or place of business. My dad was a criminal defense lawyer in Detroit and had a drug dealer who was arrested during a raid of his drug house. My dad quashed the warrant and the only charge left was CCW without a license. Keeping mind that the criminal law is strictly construed against the govt., My dad successfully argued that the drug dealer was not in violation of the statute because the drug house was his place of business. The prosecutors office did not appeal this up.

 

[swinokur]

Cease fire is not an order reserved to RSO's

True, but they are charged with the safe operation of the range are they not? Do you have to follow their orders or directions? If yes, how can they not be viewed as supervisory?

Most range rules I'm familiar with specifically state the orders from RSO's are to be followed at all times.

Here is an example from the Isaac Walton League Rockville chapter range rules. This wording would certainly seem to put RSO's in a superviwory position as far as the statute goes. my .02.
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[Jaybeez]

so what if your "business establishment" has no building?

Read the entire decision.