PERMIT APPLICATION RETURNED

[Hopalong]

1000+ permit applicants could meet in Pikesville one Saturday, invite the media, wave our non-denial-denials and demand our civil rights.

Instead of an Open Holster Rally, have a Permit Denial Rally?

An interesting notion, except that I'm pretty sure that we'd never get an assembly permit like we do for the OHRs and some of us would end up in the pokey when MSP came along to break it up. Mind you, it may eventually come to that, but I don't think we're there yet.

 

[dlmcbm]

Here you go guys. If you have not received something yet MSI wants your info.

http://marylandshallissue.org/msp-permit-denial-tracking/

 

[Mark75H]

Here you go guys. If you have not received something yet MSI wants your info.

http://marylandshallissue.org/msp-permit-denial-tracking/

Responding to MSI's request is a thousand times more important than chattering here on MDShooters.

PLEASE! Take the time and do this if you are in this group!

 

[Glaug-Eldare]

Responding to MSI's request is a thousand times more important than chattering here on MDShooters.

PLEASE! Take the time and do this if you are in this group!

Everybody with a permit application in should use it, whether they're MSI members or not!

 

[crj200]

Everybody with a permit application in should use it, whether they're MSI members or not!

I did it and I gave permission for MSI to give my info to SAF. Application sent 3/7/12. Received by MSP 3/09/12. Check cashed 3/12/12. CJIS letter 3/16/12 all clear. No calls, interviews or references contacted. I am after the ruling, before the stay.

I beleive you should submit the info and allow MSI and SAF to gather information as to how the apps are handled before, during, and after the stay. Allow MSI to give your info to SAF so they can put names to the numbers and later faces to the names.

 

[cad68m_m]

HPRB Denial

Ok got the attached denial from the Handgun Permit Review Board in reply to my letter of April 12 contesting the MSP non process denial of my application. Any suggestions are appreciated. I have also uploaded this to the MSI/SAF link.

http://marylandshallissue.org/msp-permit-denial-tracking/

 

[csanc123]

And the games continue....

Ok got the attached denial from the Handgun Permit Review Board in reply to my letter of April 12 contesting the MSP non process denial of my application. Any suggestions are appreciated. I have also uploaded this to the MSI/SAF link.

http://marylandshallissue.org/msp-permit-denial-tracking/

 

[Inigoes]

The word FIREWALL comes to mind

 

[MJD438]

Have to admit I think that is what most of us expected to have happen.

 

[csanc123]

True indeed. It's just a delay tactic and a "deterrent" in the sense that MSP most likely thinks folks will just forget about it. I just hope folks are in it for the long haul and play MSP's games until we get something from Judge Legg or C4.

Have to admit I think that is what most of us expected to have happen.

 

[dlmcbm]

Have to admit I think that is what most of us expected to have happen.

Yup Thats what I thought would happen. Make sure it gets to MSI and SAF. Looks as though you are caught in a circle. I would try re submitting it to MSP and tell them to go ahead and proses it as they normally would.

 

[Glaug-Eldare]

Oh boy, this is going to be FUN!

They must have no idea who they're dealing with here...

 

[eruby]

As previously posted, if it's not approved, it's REJECTED (emphasis mine).

The Handgun Review Board is as full of shite as the Superintendant of the MDSP, Gansler, and OWEMalley.

"What is the definition of is rejected."

 

[Hawkeye]

Ok got the attached denial from the Handgun Permit Review Board in reply to my letter of April 12 contesting the MSP non process denial of my application. Any suggestions are appreciated. I have also uploaded this to the MSI/SAF link.

http://marylandshallissue.org/msp-permit-denial-tracking/

That's really interesting. Thanks very much for sharing it with all of us, and with MSI and the SAF.

This is pretty much one of the expected outcomes, and it's bad for the State Police as far as getting the permanent stay from Judge Legg (and eventually from the 4th...) goes, because it reinforces the idea that they are acting in bad faith during the temporary stay. You apply, they refuse to process the application. You try to appeal, and are told that you can't appeal because it wasn't processed. All it does is make the MDSP look worse, and hurts their chances at the stay.

It's annoying, it's Kafka-esque bureaucracy at it's finest, and in fact it's downright BS, but in the end it will be good for our side.

 

[dlmcbm]

While I understand your frustration, the Handgun Permit Review Board
cannot intervene in State Police matters.

Is that not there entire purpose when it comes to handgun permits?

So if they did not approve or deny your app....
They must have acted upon it within 90 day or you could take it to the review board.
So what did they do? looks like limbo.

 

[esqappellate]

Ok got the attached denial from the Handgun Permit Review Board in reply to my letter of April 12 contesting the MSP non process denial of my application. Any suggestions are appreciated. I have also uploaded this to the MSI/SAF link.

http://marylandshallissue.org/msp-permit-denial-tracking/

Congrats! You have now exhausted your administrative remedies......

 

[PJDiesel]

...... but in the end it will be good for our side.

Man I hope you are correct. The more this BS piles up, the more aggravated some of us become.

 

[PJDiesel]

Is that not there entire purpose when it comes to handgun permits?

So if they did not approve or deny your app....
They must have acted upon it within 90 day or you could take it to the review board.
So what did they do? looks like limbo.

Makes you wonder what they WOULD be doing if they approved an app the MSP originally denied.............????

I can't imagine any more of an intervention into MSP matters than outright disputing their opinion on any given applicant......

I don't get the whole GD thing anymore.

 

[cad68m_m]

Yup Thats what I thought would happen. Make sure it gets to MSI and SAF. Looks as though you are caught in a circle. I would try re submitting it to MSP and tell them to go ahead and proses it as they normally would.

The only problem with that it costs me $54 livescan, plus postage and notary every time I resubmit.

 

[cad68m_m]

Congrats! You have now exhausted your administrative remedies......

LOL want to donate some court time?