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Is minic a gheibhean beal oscailt diog dunta!
How is this not a taking under the 5th amendment? You can't sell an unserialized firearm before the deadline because that's illegal under federal law. If we also have no avenue to serialize the thing legally before the deadline, AND there's no grandfather clause (since the date specified was 86), we're stuck with destroying the thing, which denies us any value from ownership of the property.
An 80% finished into a completed lower CAN be sold. ATF requires* a serial number and it must have been completed without the intention of selling.Iirc, prior to the ATF's most recent decision it would have been legal to sell a bumpstock out of state, so you could be compensated that way. The owner of a finished 80 has no such recourse, since that would break federal law.
Unless you're talking about the ATF's decision itself. Re that, I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner.
An 80% finished into a completed lower CAN be sold. ATF requires* a serial number and it must have been completed without the intention of selling.
I thought you had to have an actual FFL for manufacturing if you were going to sell something you yourself legally "built", serial number and all. Is this not the case?
must have been completed without the intention of selling.
Don't need to apply to ATF for serial. There are rules, but you come up with serial number and also your name and address. See the ATF rules here: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firear...rms-ammunition-firearms-verification-overviewAs long as it meets:
Then, yes, you can apply to ATF, get a serial number, have it marked, and then sell it.
Don't need to apply to ATF for serial. There are rules, but you come up with serial number and also your name and address. See the ATF rules here: Specifically "How must firearms be identified"
Iirc, prior to the ATF's most recent decision it would have been legal to sell a bumpstock out of state, so you could be compensated that way. The owner of a finished 80 has no such recourse, since that would break federal law.
Unless you're talking about the ATF's decision itself. Re that, I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner.
Would this make the firearm compliant with HB0740 as written?
I'm only getting more confused but that would be nice if the case
EDIT: Damn, I don't think it would, since as written you need to have it serialised by an FFL BEFORE 1986. This is insanity
^^ You said it for me. If MSP really wanted to, they could audit who'd bought what legally based on dealer bound books.
Let's be realistic though: Annapolis doesn't intend to send—nor would MSP likely comply with—a door to door confiscation campaign. That would be really bad PR. The Democrats are more than happy to keep making things illegal knowing that the majority of legal gun owners won't willingly hand over their firearms, and will let the courts fight it out at the taxpayer's expense. The fact that they make law-abiding gun owners criminals overnight is just a bonus. What they are focused on is shutting down any possibility of a future sale and a slow erosion of gun culture by increasing restriction.
Slightly off topic from Muleskinners original post but tangent to this quote.... Could you imagine the bad PR that these politicians would receive if EVERY SINGLE AR-15 bought post 10/2013 were hunted down and confiscated by the "Authorities"? Let alone the arrests that would be made for non compliance? How many AR-15's do you think were purchased within that time frame in the state of MD? Now consider the amount of work it would take to get ALL of those weapons out of the hands of the citizens. I think that once everyone has a relative that got thrown in jail for being a felon for owning a once legally owned firearm that became illegal to own overnight would be a turning point for most. Is that what it would take for the general population to realize the magnitude of the pure idiocy of all of this gun grabbing ********? "Hey, so and so is my uncle and he is a good guy but he just got thrown in jail for umteen years for owning a batch of AR-15's that he legally purchased!" Let THAT shit circulate and see how many of those politicians get re-elected. Maybe that is what it will take to get the rest of the country to wake up? Even then, I would still have my doubts.
Slightly off topic from Muleskinners original post but tangent to this quote.... Could you imagine the bad PR that these politicians would receive if EVERY SINGLE AR-15 bought post 10/2013 were hunted down and confiscated by the "Authorities"? Let alone the arrests that would be made for non compliance? How many AR-15's do you think were purchased within that time frame in the state of MD? Now consider the amount of work it would take to get ALL of those weapons out of the hands of the citizens. I think that once everyone has a relative that got thrown in jail for being a felon for owning a once legally owned firearm that became illegal to own overnight would be a turning point for most. Is that what it would take for the general population to realize the magnitude of the pure idiocy of all of this gun grabbing ********? "Hey, so and so is my uncle and he is a good guy but he just got thrown in jail for umteen years for owning a batch of AR-15's that he legally purchased!" Let THAT shit circulate and see how many of those politicians get re-elected. Maybe that is what it will take to get the rest of the country to wake up? Even then, I would still have my doubts.
why would 100k armed men allow 100 armed enforcers to imprison them for owning an inanimate object simply because a politician put ink on paper?
Slightly off topic from Muleskinners original post but tangent to this quote.... Could you imagine the bad PR that these politicians would receive if EVERY SINGLE AR-15 bought post 10/2013 were hunted down and confiscated by the "Authorities"? Let alone the arrests that would be made for non compliance? How many AR-15's do you think were purchased within that time frame in the state of MD? Now consider the amount of work it would take to get ALL of those weapons out of the hands of the citizens. I think that once everyone has a relative that got thrown in jail for being a felon for owning a once legally owned firearm that became illegal to own overnight would be a turning point for most. Is that what it would take for the general population to realize the magnitude of the pure idiocy of all of this gun grabbing ********? "Hey, so and so is my uncle and he is a good guy but he just got thrown in jail for umteen years for owning a batch of AR-15's that he legally purchased!" Let THAT shit circulate and see how many of those politicians get re-elected. Maybe that is what it will take to get the rest of the country to wake up? Even then, I would still have my doubts.
We still have big math problem. Republicans are outnumbered 2:1 in this state, and a significant number of GOP members aren't exactly big 2A supporters, either. Remember the votes on the ERPO law? It's not as if a large number of current HBAR owners are currently voting D and are going to change their votes over this issue.
We can lessen the impact of the bills in committee (grandfathering for example), and buy some time to work things through the courts. That's the most viable strategy for now. Maryland is never going to become Wyoming.
Because those 100 can call on backup and escalate well beyond anything the 100k can field. And, there's that whole rule of law thing, too. In this case, MD politicians are doing what they're doing because majorities of voters elected them. And that's why we have a Constitution and that pesky rule of law, to prevent majorities from becoming mobs trampling minorities.
In my humble opinion, the state in general, and specifically the State Police cannot even organize, control, or properly administer that information which they currently have access to. It is therefore ridiculous to even consider them mounting a confiscation scheme even if ordered to do so by the powers that be. The socialist imbeciles that author such legislation have not got a ****ing clue as to what would be involved in implementing such things......it is just a feel-good thing for them, but is also an effort to garner votes from the amazingly stupid liberal shitbags that live in this God-forsaken state that actually believe that restricting or banning inanimate objects would actually mitigate someone intent on committing criminal activities. To coin a phrase from Sam Elliott " they must be a real special kind of stupid".