Massachusetts Just Upped the Ante

[AntiGun]

Is this really "new ground" ? I thought CA and NJ already had something similar? And NYC?

When people complain about MD, it can always be worse...

Likely it will be worse if we don't remain vigilant.

 

[fightinbluhen51]

Well let's start with treasure... I think we can win and even if not its worth a shot... put them on notice..

Agreed...that's why it was in " "

 

[fightinbluhen51]

"A citizen may not be required to offer a 'good and substantial reason' why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The right‘s existence is all the reason he needs." - Judge Benson Everett Legg Marsh 2, 2012

It is such a travesty that CA4 reversed...that quote from the ruling would have lived in infamy, perhaps more so than anything from Heller, Roe, Plessy, Brown, or any other civil rights ruling handed down by the High Court.

 

[Maestro Pistolero]

If we are as dangerous and untrustworthy as they treat us, how come these MF'rs are still alive to enact this crap?

 

[MigraineMan]

Commissioner Evans claimed that “[f]or the most part, nobody in the city needs a shotgun, nobody needs a rifle, . . . I want to have discretion over who’s getting any type of gun because public safety is my main concern and as you know it’s an uphill battle taking as many guns off the street right now without pumping more into the system.”

While public safety may be his main concern, my personal safety is my responsibility, and securing my personal safety is an activity in which he does not participate. Nor does he have an obligation to do so.

Government officials may apply a corrective force after the fact, but that's about the extent of what they can do.

I'm curious how Commissioner Evans' desired "discretion" will affect the criminal individuals who ignore the system. Oh, it won't? Funny that.

 

[yellowfin]

This commissioner is no different than a redneck sheriff from Mississippi in the 1950's. He wants to keep down the class of people he hates.

 

[Streetgang]

I wonder what those men who stood their ground against the British at Concord would say about this?
Truly a sad state of affairs in this country..

 

[Vile Shadow]

Subjective determination = I think this neighborhood has too many guns already...

Or, lemme look this thing up and see what it looks like.



That looks like a machine gun!! What does he need that for?

Denied!

 

[fabsroman]

For long guns, yes. But remember we had two court cases - Heller and McDonald - which dealt with may-issue policies for handgun registration.

Exactly. All the person needs to do is say "I need one to protect myself in my home". Now, try denying that under Heller. Are the people passing these laws really that stupid?

 

[Vile Shadow]

At what point do the SUBJECTS OF THE STATE stand up for themselves?

"A citizen may not be required to offer a 'good and substantial reason' why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The right‘s existence is all the reason he needs." - Judge Benson Everett Legg March 2, 2012

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

 

[whistlersmother]

May be criminals will bypass MD and move on to MA.

Nothing will change until more and more libtards become victims of violent crime
and the threat of violent crime. It is the preceived threat that is the most potent.

And while I don't wish ill on any particular person, sometimes it takes an event
so brazen that it washes the stupor from the libtards' minds.

I would dance with joy if the governer and legislature of MA got sued and had
to personally pay damages due to the overreach. Wishful thinking...

O'thunk-head will be out before the MGA next sits. Maybe the "heir-apparent"
won't try to out-do MA on stupidness.

 

[Jim12]

While public safety may be his main concern, my personal safety is my responsibility, and securing my personal safety is an activity in which he does not participate. Nor does he have an obligation to do so.

Government officials may apply a corrective force after the fact, but that's about the extent of what they can do.

I'm curious how Commissioner Evans' desired "discretion" will affect the criminal individuals who ignore the system. Oh, it won't? Funny that.

Based on his outrageous statements, it seems clear that that narcissistic, napoleonic little tyrant has no business being in such a powerful position of public trust or authority. It appears clear beyond purview that he is just not up to understanding, much less executing, the responsibilities of the job.

 

[ShallNotInfringe]

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Ya, but it's for our own safety, dontchaknow?

It's the government's nature to constrain the people. It's the people's duty to prevent them from doing that... How far it goes before the people push back is the question. Every single legislator that voted for this complete distortion of the constitution that they took an oath to uphold should resign, since they no longer remain true to their oath.

 

[1156]

They need another tea party or something else along those lines.

 

[axshon]

Nothing will change until more and more libtards become victims of violent crime and the threat of violent crime. It is the preceived threat that is the most potent.

Be careful what you wish for. Look where fear on a national scale has ended before: with new laws, new executive powers and unaccountable bureaucracies with the ability to show up at your door with armed men not from your local PD.

These sheep are trained to look to government when they perceive a threat. When you add real fear to that threat the people you are thinking off will lay down and beg for the mercy of their leaders, giving them yet more power to oppress them while calling it protection.

When I talk to my lib in-laws in Mass they say that it's really not a big deal, why would you possibly need a shotgun or a rifle in Weymouth or Rockland or Watertown or (God-forbid) right IN the city? I ask when the last time was that they held a gun. "Oh, I don't have any guns, that's what the police are for". You get the government you ask for and elections have consequences. I brought a .308 bolt rifle to someone's home a few years ago because we were stopping in on Christmas visits on our way to New Hampshire. When the mother found out that I had a gun (!!!) in the car outside she freaked out. We had to cut our visit short. They are more afraid of any gun than they are of any criminal.

 

[abean4187]

No way this is holding up in court.

 

[eruby]

No way this is holding up in court.

Famous last words, though I DO hope you are right.

 

[LeadSled1]

No way this is holding up in court.

The problem is how many years will that take? We are at the point where rights are being infringed upon on purpose, because they know it will take a LONG time for it to work its way through court, and may end up not even being heard. What do they have to lose? They get what they want, and damn that piece of paper that says they can't do that. If it gets reversed later on, they will deal with it and create another unethical law and have more hears to watch it trickle through the courts system.

 

[Haides]

The problem is how many years will that take? We are at the point where rights are being infringed upon on purpose, because they know it will take a LONG time for it to work its way through court, and may end up not even being heard. What do they have to lose? They get what they want, and damn that piece of paper that says they can't do that. If it gets reversed later on, they will deal with it and create another unethical law and have more hears to watch it trickle through the courts system.

But who's fault is that? It's ours. Americans. Patriots. Gun Owners. We've been so soft, asleep in our comfort, and too content with what we have to do what needs to be done when these domestic enemies play games with our lives. It's our fault that they have nothing to lose. If they knew that doing these things would literally put their lives at risk, they wouldn't even try.

 

[teratos]

The problem is how many years will that take? We are at the point where rights are being infringed upon on purpose, because they know it will take a LONG time for it to work its way through court, and may end up not even being heard. What do they have to lose? They get what they want, and damn that piece of paper that says they can't do that. If it gets reversed later on, they will deal with it and create another unethical law and have more hears to watch it trickle through the courts system.

The nice thing about the court cases is the precedent they are setting. Certainly we have a circuit split on some issues like carry outside the home. Just look at what Heller and McDonald did for us.