Law Tactical ARIC

[teratos]

An option to shoot with a folded stock. Should be interesting.

Law Tactical ARIC

Fire folded repeatedly with the Law Tactical ARIC (AR Internal Carrier) The ARIC replaces the Complete Bolt Carrier Group and Recoil System of standard AR15 style firearms. ARIC (AR Internal Carrier) is designed to drop into your host firearm with the LAW Tactical Folder Stock Adapter (FSA).

www.lawtactical.com

 

[Biggfoot44]

Is that similar to the Gun Smoke Enterprises set up back in the day ?

 

[teratos]

Is that similar to the Gun Smoke Enterprises set up back in the day ?

I can’t say I’m familiar with them.

 

[smdub]

Already a post on these:

LAW Tactical ARIC AR internal carriers at Brownells

Allows an AR with a LAW folder to fire from the folded position. For 5.56/223 and 300BO

www.mdshooters.com

I'm w/ the 2nd poster (jrumann), just get a BRN180 or MCX upper and be done w/ it.

 

[teratos]

Already a post on these:

LAW Tactical ARIC AR internal carriers at Brownells

Allows an AR with a LAW folder to fire from the folded position. For 5.56/223 and 300BO

www.mdshooters.com

I'm w/ the 2nd poster (jrumann), just get a BRN180 or MCX upper and be done w/ it.

Dammit.

I already have the BRN-180. I like it. there is a suppressed and unsuppressed setting. By the time you get both BCGs, you spent BRN money.

 

[alucard0822]

The Law BCG pretty much requires their adapter, this one has a standard sig style 1913 rail for a stock/folder https://www.evolutionweaponsystems.com/

Of course they all have their drawbacks compared to ARs with standard buffer tubes or other rifle designs that don't require one.

 

[John from MD]

I wonder if they will make one for the 9mm PCC's?

 

[outrider58]

I wonder if they will make one for the 9mm PCC's?

Or anyone else? They could build in some PCC problem solutions while they're at it.

 

[alucard0822]

not enough mass to handle direct blowback without a buffer. I'm sure there are companies working on a BCG that offers delayed blowback, short stroke and drops into a standard upper with a standard AR9 barrel, the first one will take over the market. Have seen a couple that lock into the cam key in the upper, or a mechanism that locks against the rear of the carrier.

 

[teratos]

not enough mass to handle direct blowback without a buffer. I'm sure there are companies working on a BCG that offers delayed blowback, short stroke and drops into a standard upper with a standard AR9 barrel, the first one will take over the market. Have seen a couple that lock into the cam key in the upper, or a mechanism that locks against the rear of the carrier.

I have the Scheel system on my colt pattern 9mm AR. It works pretty well.

 

[John from MD]

not enough mass to handle direct blowback without a buffer. I'm sure there are companies working on a BCG that offers delayed blowback, short stroke and drops into a standard upper with a standard AR9 barrel, the first one will take over the market. Have seen a couple that lock into the cam key in the upper, or a mechanism that locks against the rear of the carrier.

I was thinking about for my CMMG Banshee.

 

[John from MD]

I have the Scheel system on my colt pattern 9mm AR. It works pretty well.

Butt, you can't operate that folded, right?

 

[teratos]

Butt, you can't operate that folded, right?

No. It doesn't fold.

Roller-Delayed Buffer System | Scheel Manufacturing

USPSA PCC 9mm ar15 roller- delayed buffer system. less recoil, faster split times. Roller-delayed

scheel-mfg.square.site

 

[alucard0822]

I have the Scheel system on my colt pattern 9mm AR. It works pretty well.

True Roller delay has a mechanical advantage through a wedge to compress the main recoil spring/s at a higher rate to delay the blowback phase, then unlocks and a lower rate to complete the cycle. Most like the JP that use the wedge/roller setup lock into the upper or barrel extension. The CMMG RDB uses friction instead of a mechanism to increase rearward travel against the spring. The scheel uses the rollers and aditional small springs to increase resistance for the blowback delay. Mean arms has a system that uses ball bearings to lock in a barrel extension. They all require a lot of proprietary parts. Allegedly Aero and NFA were working on a system that uses a roller that locks into the cam cutout in a mil-spec lower, or a proprietary upper/BCG that lock similar to the HK/JP5 solution, but much less expensive. Think FM products was working on one that worked in the gen2 receiver setups and locked in top of the receiver where the charging handle would normally be, and did not require a buffer tube.

 

[teratos]

True Roller delay has a mechanical advantage through a wedge to compress the main recoil spring/s at a higher rate to delay the blowback phase, then unlocks and a lower rate to complete the cycle. Most like the JP that use the wedge/roller setup lock into the upper or barrel extension. The CMMG RDB uses friction instead of a mechanism to increase rearward travel against the spring. The scheel uses the rollers and aditional small springs to increase resistance for the blowback delay. Mean arms has a system that uses ball bearings to lock in a barrel extension. They all require a lot of proprietary parts. Allegedly Aero and NFA were working on a system that uses a roller that locks into the cam cutout in a mil-spec lower, or a proprietary upper/BCG that lock similar to the HK/JP5 solution, but much less expensive. Think FM products was working on one that worked in the gen2 receiver setups and locked in top of the receiver where the charging handle would normally be, and did not require a buffer tube.

I'd get that in a heartbeat.

 

[outrider58]

True Roller delay has a mechanical advantage through a wedge to compress the main recoil spring/s at a higher rate to delay the blowback phase, then unlocks and a lower rate to complete the cycle. Most like the JP that use the wedge/roller setup lock into the upper or barrel extension. The CMMG RDB uses friction instead of a mechanism to increase rearward travel against the spring. The scheel uses the rollers and aditional small springs to increase resistance for the blowback delay. Mean arms has a system that uses ball bearings to lock in a barrel extension. They all require a lot of proprietary parts. Allegedly Aero and NFA were working on a system that uses a roller that locks into the cam cutout in a mil-spec lower, or a proprietary upper/BCG that lock similar to the HK/JP5 solution, but much less expensive. Think FM products was working on one that worked in the gen2 receiver setups and locked in top of the receiver where the charging handle would normally be, and did not require a buffer tube.

The JP5 uses the same rollers/parts as the HK doesn't it?

 

[teratos]

The JP5 uses the same rollers/parts as the HK doesn't it?

it does, but it does not work the same way the H&K does. The H&K won't unlock until the pressure in the chamber drops allowing the rollers to release. In the Scheel, the spring tension on the rollers absorbs some of the energy, so there is less felt recoil

 

[alucard0822]

The JP5 uses the same rollers/parts as the HK doesn't it?

Don't think it is the same parts, but definitely the same design. They did have different angled wedge pieces to tune for different loads. The HK system basically uses the rollers in fixed pockets, to squeeze against the angled wedge inbetween. The wedge is forced rearward against the spring at a greater distance than the bolt is moving rearward. This is what delays the very strong blowback of the case in the chamber. One chamber pressure drops and the case is no longer sealed in the chamber, the unlocked bolt and carrier move rearward against the spring directly, and it cycles.

 

[outrider58]

Don't think it is the same parts, but definitely the same design. They did have different angled wedge pieces to tune for different loads. The HK system basically uses the rollers in fixed pockets, to squeeze against the angled wedge inbetween. The wedge is forced rearward against the spring at a greater distance than the bolt is moving rearward. This is what delays the very strong blowback of the case in the chamber. One chamber pressure drops and the case is no longer sealed in the chamber, the unlocked bolt and carrier move rearward against the spring directly, and it cycles.

I'm pretty sure the actual rollers are HK rollers. I watched their rollout on the gun a while back, but no biggie.

 

[alucard0822]

I'm pretty sure the actual rollers are HK rollers. I watched their rollout on the gun a while back, but no biggie.

might be, would be cool if so. I know they were talking about copying some of the aftermarket HK pro wedge tunbing kit things with different wedge angles.