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[Yingpin]

My Wideners P38 came in. Nice looking. Big ass import mark but its on the front strap, so not as noticeable. Separate thread coming...

Did you post your thread yet? I could not find it but was interested since my P38 should be arriving today. If I can get to the house to sign for it.

 

[Oldcarjunkie]

I totally missed that one.
I've been searching on both the proper and the mispelled (there is no U in Colombia)
colombian
columbian

here are some shots of it..

 

[Abulg1972]

here are some shots of it..

What the wha?

Stellar packing job.

 

[Oldcarjunkie]

What the wha?

Stellar packing job.

Yeah the packing Job didnt help, but ive had others packed the same way using two boxes and didnt have the issues that i seem to have with the UPS folks that get me packages to this location VS my old location. Back in Jan they broke another rifle in half that was packed very well.
however as bad as this one looks, at least this one survived. Last two pics show why im looking for a Butt plate, its rather big for this gun, i took it off and i seen that someone added this one as there was a third hole in the butt under the buttplate. However even with this little issue. It has a shiny bore, nice crest, no cracks and came with a bayo(yugo) for 250.00 shipped.. I couldnt beat it.

 

[Melnic]

oldcarjunkie,
I like that crest. That's more important to me than a good bore on a Colombian Mauser. If you get tired with it, keep me in mind.

 

[Oldcarjunkie]

oldcarjunkie,
I like that crest. That's more important to me than a good bore on a Colombian Mauser. If you get tired with it, keep me in mind.

I will but i doubt this one will be leaving. I had one years ago that i sold and have been wanting a nice one since. This one is in such good shape i doubt i would find another as good. the bore is nice and shiny and the bullet test shows lots of life left. Under the wood is not severely pitted like most SA mausers. I got very lucky with this one.

This was the old one, had a bunch of pitting under the wood(all solid though, nothing through). No crest and lots of repairs to the wood over the years. The new one is a great upgrade over the old.

 

[Yingpin]

FedEx dropped of a package for me today. It was the Wideners P-38 with original markings and listed as Great Shape? Mine came with brown grips and although I don't know a lot about this pistol and it is getting late, I thought I would post a few pics. It is marked AC 43, would that indicate Walther 1943?

It came generically packed in bubble wrap and was loose in the box. It has a light coat of oil but looks to be in perfect shape. It looks like the slide and frame are both marked WaA 359

 

[Arcamm]

Is there a difference in the OD of the barrels on P38 vs. a P1? The P38 barrels always look thinner.

 

[somd_mustangs]

FedEx dropped of a package for me today. It was the Wideners P-38 with original markings and listed as Great Shape? Mine came with brown grips and although I don't know a lot about this pistol and it is getting late, I thought I would post a few pics. It is marked AC 43, would that indicate Walther 1943?

It came generically packed in bubble wrap and was loose in the box. It has a light coat of oil but looks to be in perfect shape. It looks like the slide and frame are both marked WaA 359

Well, the slide at least is from the end of 1943 - n is the letter code for December (and AC is the Walther code).
Unfortunate that it's mismatched because the "one-line" AC43 is actually a bit uncommon, only made 2 months.
Most AC43 are "stacked" with the AC over 43 next to the P38.
(E/359 is acceptance stamp used at Walther).

More than likely the frame is also off an AC43 (or possibly AC44).
Although covered with goo the grips look pretty nice.
Don't use Hoppes or other chemicals on the grips.
Wipe em off as best as you can and then gently clean with some Dawn or other dishwashing liquid.
How is the magazine marked?
If it's a nice original war-era mag, that and the grips are $250+
Since it's a mixmaster you may want to recoup some cost by selling the grips and putting some repros on instead - which will be much more robust.

The grips may be post-war Russian and if that's the case not worth a lot.
Post up the markings on the back of the grips or PM me and we'll figure it out.

 

[somd_mustangs]

Is there a difference in the OD of the barrels on P38 vs. a P1? The P38 barrels always look thinner.

I think it's more war-era vs. post-war.
On left is a 1960's Manurhin P1, on right is a 1942 Mauser.
You can see the Mauser is indeed thinner by a few thousandths.
It probably started out the same but was milled down more.
Spot-checked against a few other WW2 P.38's and they are basically the same.

I only have one post-war P38 and it seems to be in-between OD's - but it's a high-polish gun and not a good comparison.
I'd say unless otherwise proved that the post-war P1 and post-war P38 are identical.
The reason (I believe) for the larger OD is that the post-war P1/P38 has a barrel sleeve insert, whereas the WW2 guns were one solid piece.

 

[Yingpin]

Well, the slide at least is from the end of 1943 - n is the letter code for December (and AC is the Walther code).
Unfortunate that it's mismatched because the "one-line" AC43 is actually a bit uncommon, only made 2 months.
Most AC43 are "stacked" with the AC over 43 next to the P38.
(E/359 is acceptance stamp used at Walther).

More than likely the frame is also off an AC43 (or possibly AC44). The frame was originally marked 4870F and have been stamped over with an X
Although covered with goo the grips look pretty nice.
Don't use Hoppes or other chemicals on the grips.
Wipe em off as best as you can and then gently clean with some Dawn or other dishwashing liquid.
How is the magazine marked? The mag is marked with P.38v which I believe may be late 43 or early 44. It also has the e/359 single stamp on the spine


If it's a nice original war-era mag, that and the grips are $250+
Since it's a mixmaster you may want to recoup some cost by selling the grips and putting some repros on instead - which will be much more robust.

The grips may be post-war Russian and if that's the case not worth a lot.
Post up the markings on the back of the grips or PM me and we'll figure it out.

Here is a pic of the back side of the grips

 

[yellowsled]

The grips look original to as well as the Mag. somd_mustangs I am sure will have more info though based on your pics....

 

[6pack]

Did you post your thread yet? I could not find it but was interested since my P38 should be arriving today. If I can get to the house to sign for it.

Busy week! I just got it posted up.

 

[somd_mustangs]

The grips look original to as well as the Mag. somd_mustangs I am sure will have more info though based on your pics....

Oh yeah baby, the grips are early-war AEG's and have the Waffenamt (and one is numbered) so off an early Walther, probably late AC40 or early AC41.
Invaluable to a guy needing a numbered grip "967"
I would seriously consider selling or trading those grips to a collector if they don't have any chips or cracks.

Mag is Walther as speculated, used in 1943 and 1944 (ac43, ac44).

Good stuff.

oh yeah, for folks getting these, for the love of xxx don't tighten the grip screw more than finger tight.
if it came with an original WW2 grip set, get a set of repros or post-war P1 grips for $20-30 to go shooting, and preserve those originals.
They are real fragile and a split second inattention will crack 'em (setting down on the bench too hard, etc), or even shooting can crack them.

Nice original grips are $100-150 (or more depending on what they are) and a collector would be happy to have them.

 

[JamesH]

Just arrived from GB!



http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=501780533

So, do I need to rent a tux when taking this to the range?

 

[KH195]

Just arrived from GB!


http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=501780533

So, do I need to rent a tux when taking this to the range?

Very nice!!! A nice wartime PPK is on my short list, would like to find a nice police or WaA359 example...just hope I can afford one in a condition as nice as yours!

 

[fidelity]

Just arrived from GB!

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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=501780533

So, do I need to rent a tux when taking this to the range?

Cool pick up!

When you have time, would you mind throwing up a picture of your new PPK with your P-64 that you've mentioned in the past? I'm wondering if not only the design and look were derived from the PP, but am curious about proportions (even if they shoot different rounds).

 

[Oldcarjunkie]

Nice score

 

[Oldcarjunkie]

Since i just got a nice one myself and dont have a need for a second, if anyone is interested in a good looking Hakim the price seems worth it if it has a good bore..

http://www.gunauction.com/buy/13560473/

 

[Oldcarjunkie]

more like oldgunjunkie this one is more unique looking than your others very cool

Not the first time ive been called that , Sure it wont be the last either. There is just something about a Old war rifle that calls to me.