Jamie Raskin on Bloomberg: gun insurance will be back

[rseymorejr]

I understand what you're saying. I agree that what happened last session was pretty awful (although, arguably, the MSP interpretations of the law are doing worse damage to us than the law really did). But the context of how it happened most certainly has an impact as to what happens this session. That's why I am somewhat less paranoid about our chances. It's not just what happened, it's how it happened.


Unless you can propose a way to drive the ball enough to actually get a first down, going on the offensive at Annapolis is nonsensical. We played an OK defensive game given the opposition; we got absolutely nowhere on our proposals. We might be able to play better defense next year, but the offense is still looking pretty horrible. Face up to the reality of our position: we are not going to succeed on the offense. There is no chance with the current legislature. If you feel differently, please spin us a believable story of how it could happen.

I agree. I was just doing a little "wishful thinking". Changing the faces in Annapolis is the only way we will ever have a chance to do anything. We need to show them that last year wasn't a fluke and that the days of passing laws before we had a chance to know what happened are gone.

 

[vector03]

“It’s likely this won’t come back again until, god forbid, the next huge round of spectacular gun violence and we summon the momentum to act again,” Raskin said.


That's a strange choice of wording, even for an idiot Democrat

Yeah, someone should ask him if he's rooting for a shooting.

 

[Mr H]

:::getting out the drum:::

All these are reasons--whether they try something this session or not--for everyone to begin contacting their critters NOW, on every issue (not just 2A).

There is a growing sentiment out there (still small, but there) that people are getting weary of the overreaches and infringements in every area of their lives.

We're in a fortunate spot that we also have the screwups and scandals at the Fed level to kind of hammer home the point that the 'little guy' is in the crosshairs.

Feb 4 will be an important point in this, but I'm encouraging people with interests other than 2A to organize their own interest events, and get vocal.

I feel we're in a uinque position to start pushing back with more success than just paring down omnibus bills like SB281.

 

[Brooklyn]

Well... there's the quote I just posted there, with Raskin saying how they don't really have the political capital to do so. I don't really see the political advantage to saying "we're weak and not going to do anything" unless it's actually true and he's setting expectations.

There's also the fact that they couldn't get this stuff done last time (compare original SB281 to SB281 as enrolled), and it's not clear that their political position is any stronger. If anything, it may be somewhat weaker, given that elections are coming up. Some of these guys outside the DC and Baltimore area took major political risks to vote for SB281 - the payback they're going to want is to avoid it in election year.


Yes, there's fear and paranoia, but I'm not quite there yet. As for magic sources of insider knowledge, I'll believe it when I see it.

I am not saying there's no danger; I am saying that they only managed to pass a very watered-down bill after waving the newly bloody flag of what was the most horrific gun-related mass casualty event in decades. That doesn't really strike me as total dominance by any means. Arguably, it turned into face saving after Vallario gutted the thing.


This is basically the political equivalent of masturbation. Feels good, doesn't really accomplish anything. We can spend our resources more wisely.

Look they are doing exactly what I would do as op force-- every step. So my play on the next call is that they push just to see if we push back..

don't push back and see what happens..

The advantage to his statement is

1. he again raises the specter of a massacre and implies that we are the cause by not agreeing to common sense gun laws.
2. He` feeds his base read meat and implies that without their support even that minor goal might be blocked by the evil gun lobby
3. he encourages complacency on our side among the IGM and hunters don't need ar's anyway crowd.

4. He can switch on a dime making it hard for us to plan-- there is a GOOD chance insurance is a red hearing and the real goal is other..



Trust me he is doing exactly what I expect -- don't forget MR O playing this game in term 1.

But most important the only people listening to this debate at this time are US and the opposition -- they want us to overreact. They want us to waste resources ..

Our game starts in Feb right now we build and train for the fight -- if not 2014 then 2015..

Think what could have happened if newtown occurred during the session and we had no time to ramp up at all. All the staff work they need to do will be ready for the next session.. will we be ready to match them -- that us the only question we need to answer right now..

Our plans do not depend on theirs.. If they have a big offensive we will react--- if they do not we have an offensive game.

From now until the end of time we have long an drawn out hearings every session --- or as soon as we slack we get hit so hard its over ---

 

[erwos]

I agree. I was just doing a little "wishful thinking". Changing the faces in Annapolis is the only way we will ever have a chance to do anything. We need to show them that last year wasn't a fluke and that the days of passing laws before we had a chance to know what happened are gone.

Huge turn-out to Annapolis is really quite key, I agree. That's another reason why it would make sense for Raskin/Frosh/etc to not push hard again this year. They're building the opposition's organization by poking the bear really hard. The last thing they want is to get 5k-10k people used to coming to Annapolis every year to bitch about gun laws... that's real power.

From now until the end of time we have long an drawn out hearings every session --- or as soon as we slack we get hit so hard its over ---

I think you're confusing my statement of "I don't think they'll push hard this year" with some sort of proclamation that we shouldn't push back on anything. We should hit them hard in Annapolis if they come after us again. No question. We need strong organization.

 

[Mr H]

Huge turn-out to Annapolis is really quite key, I agree. That's another reason why it would make sense for Raskin/Frosh/etc to not push hard again this year. They're building the opposition's organization by poking the bear really hard. The last thing they want is to get 5k-10k people used to coming to Annapolis every year to bitch about gun laws... that's real power.

Which is precisely why we need to do this.

#2ATuesday

 

[erwos]

Which is precisely why we need to do this.

#2ATuesday

But 2A Tuesday only got like a dozen people out there until SB281. Be real: the community organizes best in response to a clear and present threat. Maybe that's not how it should be, but that's how it is. Frosh stops generating those huge terrible threats, we stop growing as much. Again, not how it should be, but that's how it is.

 

[Brooklyn]

Huge turn-out to Annapolis is really quite key, I agree. That's another reason why it would make sense for Raskin/Frosh/etc to not push hard again this year. They're building the opposition's organization by poking the bear really hard. The last thing they want is to get 5k-10k people used to coming to Annapolis every year to bitch about gun laws... that's real power.


I think you're confusing my statement of "I don't think they'll push hard this year" with some sort of proclamation that we shouldn't push back on anything. We should hit them hard in Annapolis if they come after us again. No question. We need strong organization.

No I know what you mean.. but my point is that we plan our game regardless of what they do..

And for every guy like us there are 2 or 3 that will only get off there asses if they see a present threat. That's why op force plays it cagey and why we should not base anything on their statements.

esp when trying to get new recruits to the cause

 

[Brooklyn]

But 2A Tuesday only got like a dozen people out there until SB281. Be real: the community organizes best in response to a clear and present threat. Maybe that's not how it should be, but that's how it is. Frosh stops generating those huge terrible threats, we stop growing as much. Again, not how it should be, but that's how it is.

So... why do you chose to let him get away with it.. stop believing the disinformation

oh no - late for work == later ..

 

[Mr H]

But 2A Tuesday only got like a dozen people out there until SB281. Be real: the community organizes best in response to a clear and present threat. Maybe that's not how it should be, but that's how it is. Frosh stops generating those huge terrible threats, we stop growing as much. Again, not how it should be, but that's how it is.

We're doing it differently this session, now that the awareness is out there.

MSI is now in multiple dozens of shops and clubs, and spreading the word at events like we never have before.

Other statewide organizations are getting into the act as well.

But the key--as always--will be regular people burning up the lines, and clogging the system, making sure that the critterati remembers we're out here, will be engaged, and insist on holding them accountable.

If we're not consistent and resolute, it's over. But I believe it can be done.

 

[abean4187]

I'd like to see an offensive this time. Go after G&S, chip away at some of this other BS. Let them defend their position for a change.

This, we need to go on the offensive. If we are going to go on and on about 10,000 at lawyers mall, we better have someone introducing legislation to do something in our favor. I don’t think it would be a good idea to go after SB281 as we aren’t going to get that taken away unless it is via the Supreme Court, but going after the “May Issue” status is a good idea. “Shall Issue” is the only way to go. Statistics show that it reduces murder rates and has no negative effects on other crimes. It is moronic that after jumping through all these hoops that we are not able to carry.

We need to introduce new laws each and every session until we get what we want. And we need to get more and more people out until we get what we want. If 10,000 doesn’t work in 2014, we will have 15,000 in 2015.

 

[Mr H]

Correct...

And there will be not only corrective legislation brought up, but also new bills to help MDers' 2A Rights.

 

[MDFF2008]

They will come after on time release, registration of existing firearms, who knows what else.

And Smigiel thinks he can get Utah reciprocity because in his words "liberal socialists don't know what honoring Utah permits would mean."

WTF? Like they can't google it? Good job advertising your plans to the world.

 

[MDFF2008]

Gun insurance would be an interesting tactic. It would def mark a shift in strategy.

I'm betting they will exclude shotguns and single shot rifles though.

 

[rwbow1969]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the 50% ammunition tax reared it's ugly head again.

I'm not cutting any of these idiots in Annapolis any slack. I don't trust them as far as I can throw them. Sitting back and saying "They won't try anything this session." is what gave us SB281.

 

[bpSchoch]

Insurance seems to me to be a backhanded way of doing gun registration! Think about it, how do you enforce insurance? Also if you have insurance, they can require that the insurance company provide the state with the list of names covered. Guess what, then you have a current active list of gun owners in the state.

 

[Mr H]

Insurance seems to me to be a backhanded way of doing gun registration! Think about it, how do you enforce insurance? Also if you have insurance, they can require that the insurance company provide the state with the list of names covered. Guess what, then you have a current active list of gun owners in the state.

It's all a game to them.

Our best answer is overwhelming noise, and numbers, with a solid and consistent message.

 

[erwos]

Sitting back and saying "They won't try anything this session." is what gave us SB281.

That's not what gave us SB281. What gave us SB281 was a combination of Newtown, a politically ambitious governor, and a very left wing legislature. It was not "surprise".

 

[rseymorejr]

That's not what gave us SB281. What gave us SB281 was a combination of Newtown, a politically ambitious governor, and a very left wing legislature. It was not "surprise".

Newtown was the trigger, everything else was in the wings, just waiting for the right time.

 

[MDFF2008]

Newton was the catalyst.