Biggfoot44
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- Aug 2, 2009
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If I’m seen printing, I’m not showing shit to any cop unless they can articulate a crime I committed.
In a society where bearing a firearm is legal, evidence that a firearm is being carried is not, on its face, illegal. More is needed to affect a stop.
If they can’t ask for ID for exercising the 1A, 4A or 5A, they can’t for the 2A.
Terry v OHIO is a deep dive topic in itself .
Barest outline of oversimplification :
Only Reasonable Suspicion is required for brief pat down of outer clothing for weapons .
A brief flash of gun or associated accessories ( holster , spare ammo ) on the person is RS that firearm is also .
Even if Carry alone is presumptively legal in general in the state, if within a No No Zone , carry is presumptively Illegal except for on duty LE and on duty armed security .
Yeah , could hypothetically be plainclothes LE or Security , but observing LE would have RS to determine if exceptions are met .