Fight The HQL!
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The only way this will get solved is in the courts. The people in Annapolis only care about their liberal agenda and not anything we have to say. At this point, calls and emails to them are pointless. I've done it over the years only to be ignored.
The only way this will get solved is in the courts. The people in Annapolis only care about their liberal agenda and not anything we have to say. At this point, calls and emails to them are pointless. I've done it over the years only to be ignored.
- Feb 19, 2013
- 18,777
Which is why Marylanders need to do what needs to be done.
Kick in, Mule.
I'm a Life NRA member and donate. I'd recommend donating there.
I realize MSI is a sacred cow here. In ten years two forfeitures of their entity status for non reporting. Many changes in resident agents and office addresses. Different attorneys with multiple amendments. Ten years and no public disclosure of where money comes and goes, and when one asks.. they are the problem. Past performance is not necessarily an indication of future results, but the hostility at a legitimate question from "some" of the executives or BOD is not an acceptable response. People here who want to defend a non profits (asking for donations, now wanting to raise six figures) opaqueness when it comes to finance , go ahead
. A query about availability of financial information then immediately responded to as an implication of malfeasance, that is just a great straw man when there is no rational answer. I did receive an adult response via PM so I'm not going to paint the entire MSI crew with a "With us or against us" mentality. Maybe the insiders are fantastic, have a lot of pull with politicians etc. I have in fact donated in the past to MSI. Even though I don't like where every dollar NRA spends goes, I'm more the type "now" backing the horse I know. One member here an attorney, almost assures victory in bringing this action. If that is the case, I have no idea why NRA has forsaken such a drop in the bucket to win a case in Maryland. Shannon Alford has always appeared to be a realist when it comes to what is attainable. Have any MSI people consulted with her why NRA does not help with this?
Muleskinner
Ultimate Member
Which is why Marylanders need to do what needs to be done.
Kick in, Mule.
I'm not an NRA supporter. Until the NRA refuses to endorse democrat candidates I will never restart my membership.
And no...MSI knows who I am and why I refuse to back them. That's all I need to say.
Muleskinner
Ultimate Member
I'm a Life NRA member and donate. I'd recommend donating there.
I realize MSI is a sacred cow here. In ten years two forfeitures of their entity status for non reporting. Many changes in resident agents and office addresses. Different attorneys with multiple amendments. Ten years and no public disclosure of where money comes and goes, and when one asks.. they are the problem. Past performance is not necessarily an indication of future results, but the hostility at a legitimate question from "some" of the executives or BOD is not an acceptable response. People here who want to defend a non profits (asking for donations, now wanting to raise six figures) opaqueness when it comes to finance , go ahead
I had heated discussions with who ever it is at MSI that runs their Facebook page. Instead of continuing the discussions, they made excuses why they couldn't or wouldn't do certain things that would possibly help the situation. They blocked me from posting and therefore I have come to the conclusion that MSI would rather take people's money and do nothing else. I didn't know about the non disclosure issue, or the fact that they have not once but twice been cited for failure to report. That's potentially criminal...so tell me again why people are so open to supporting them? Are they really working to help you or are they taking your money knowing that their "efforts" will never get the results Marylanders desire? Because we know one thing for fact...IF Maryland ever were to get s SHALL ISSUE ruling...MSI would not longer be needed....
Seriously? Most folks in MSI that I've interacted with can use their time to make more money through their personal efforts. They're contributing their time to an effort which they feel is worthwhile to them and their children. Maybe this concept is alien to you as you are so ready to impugn the efforts of others.
You are smoking crack if you think an organization like MSI will no longer be needed when we get shall-issue. Do you think the MD government won't try to put all kinds of crazy restrictions on TPM?
Muleskinner
Ultimate Member
Then that's not a SHALL ISSUE is it? No, if Maryland were to ever get a REAL SHALL ISSUE (they won't) then MSI will no longer be needed.
Where is the money? what is it spent on? Lets see the records of their fund raising..
iH8DemLibz
When All Else Fails.
I'm a Life NRA member and donate. I'd recommend donating there.
I realize MSI is a sacred cow here. In ten years two forfeitures of their entity status for non reporting. Many changes in resident agents and office addresses. Different attorneys with multiple amendments. Ten years and no public disclosure of where money comes and goes, and when one asks.. they are the problem. Past performance is not necessarily an indication of future results, but the hostility at a legitimate question from "some" of the executives or BOD is not an acceptable response. People here who want to defend a non profits (asking for donations, now wanting to raise six figures) opaqueness when it comes to finance , go ahead
I donate to both bovines equally.
That way all udders remain full and can dispense green milk when needed.
Straightshooter
Ultimate Member
If you think things need to be done different, then step your know it all ass up to the plate and take a swing on your own Until you accomplish something productive pleases do us all a favor and STFU! Your whining is getting old.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/trolls-whats-confusing-nature-game.html
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/03/01/paid-govt-and-corporate-internet-trolls-are-real/
They jump into productive online discussions and civil debates, and undermine them, ruin them
Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable.
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/03/01/paid-govt-and-corporate-internet-trolls-are-real/
They jump into productive online discussions and civil debates, and undermine them, ruin them
Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable.
StantonCree
Watch your beer
- Jan 23, 2011
- 23,932
Then donate to MDS so when more people join they can continue to read your posts and maybe you'll change a mind and more people will think like you..............instead of being so negative let us know where we should be donating so that our resources can best be pooled to best serve our needs.
I haven't seen a positive post from you in this entire thread discussing how we as a community can better accomplish our goals. It's been nothing but, "I'm not donating here, I don't support this, I hate democrats." BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH..............Either say something useful or get off the soapbox because while we may be staring and listening it's not because were getting your message it's because we're wondering when the train wreck is going to stop.
End rant.
It wasn't put on hold for money only, the original lawsuit was to bring the state into compliance on citizens being able to purchase a firearm with an HQL on Oct 1, instead of waiting however long it was going to take to get an HQL and then purchase a handgun. The state came into compliance with that issue.
There were also other reasons in that the same basic suit had been brought in NY, CT, IL and other states with permits to purchase, that had previously failed.
nerfherder
Active Member
Unfortunately this is my experience as well.
Maybe it's because the legislative session in Maryland is less than two weeks from being finished and no new legislation is being accepted and cross-over day has come and gone.
The e-mail I received spoke to legislation still in play in those states.
- Mar 8, 2013
- 6,993
Couldn't figure out when my MSI membership expired so I just renewed sustaining for $50. Also contribute regularly to SAF and NRA, but NGRA - not so much - they spend too much effort arguing against the other pro-2A organizations.
- Jan 30, 2013
- 34,172
I'm a Life NRA member and donate. I'd recommend donating there.
I realize MSI is a sacred cow here. In ten years two forfeitures of their entity status for non reporting. Many changes in resident agents and office addresses. Different attorneys with multiple amendments. Ten years and no public disclosure of where money comes and goes, and when one asks.. they are the problem. Past performance is not necessarily an indication of future results, but the hostility at a legitimate question from "some" of the executives or BOD is not an acceptable response. People here who want to defend a non profits (asking for donations, now wanting to raise six figures) opaqueness when it comes to finance , go ahead
While making not-subtle accusations full of innuendo and misleading information, you clearly have no clue about Maryland corporate charters, Annual Personal Property Returns, forfeitures, and reinstatements. Many corporations, including HOA's, mom and pop shops, and even banks such as Wells Fargo http://sdat.resiusa.org/ucc-charter/Pages/CharterSearch/default.aspx have had either their charter or right to do business in Maryland forfeited for failure to file their Annual Personal Property Return and pay the $300 filing fee. They then have to file the missing paperwork along with Articles of Revival, pay the fees, and they're reinstated.
It seems to happen particularly often with entities like non-profits and HOA's, and community citizens associations, where directors and officers change every year or two, because the faces and addresses change. Nearly every community Citizens Association and HOA that I've been involved with, and there are several, has at one time or another had this happen to them, and they've all reinstated when it was learned. Nobody was EVER accused of absconding with the assets. I'm not surprised at all that this happened to MSI. It happened to Wells Fargo Bank, and to plenty of other corporations who have employees who are actually paid to make all the corporate filings on time but sometimes let them slip, if you care to do the research.
Doing this volunteer work is a thankless job, and my hat is off to all the people who are willing to undertake it.
You sound like some of the (thankfully infrequent) ignorant complainers who come to their community association meetings and complain about the perceived shortcomings of other peoples' volunteer efforts, but are the first ones out the door when the meeting is adjourned, not to be seen again until the next meeting with your new complaints. Very constructive.
I'm a Life NRA member and donate. I'd recommend donating there.
I realize MSI is a sacred cow here. In ten years two forfeitures of their entity status for non reporting. Many changes in resident agents and office addresses. Different attorneys with multiple amendments. Ten years and no public disclosure of where money comes and goes, and when one asks.. they are the problem. Past performance is not necessarily an indication of future results, but the hostility at a legitimate question from "some" of the executives or BOD is not an acceptable response. People here who want to defend a non profits (asking for donations, now wanting to raise six figures) opaqueness when it comes to finance , go ahead
My only advise is donate to whom you feel comfortable donating to, but donate (and you have, thank you).
As mentioned before, MSI is working to get the books in order and transitioning from "5 guys" meeting in the back of a bar, to a full fledged organization.
2013 brought some real growing pains that we are still playing catch up to. (not an excuse, but a reality of the numbers influx due to FSA2013).
I prefer to under promise and over deliver, but at some point we will be able to provide more than a basic accounting of financials.
The failure to report was for property taxes, which basically a non-profit doesn't have. The previous leadership did not report one year and lost the filing status in the state, in the process of refiling and providing back documentation, another year was missed, and the filing status was again lost.
This is the first and last time time I will address this issue in this thread so as not to hi-jack the thread and take it off subject.
MSI does not block people on FB who disagree. We only block people who consistantly insult people, consistantly threaten violence or other consistant patterns of behavior.
If you got blocked it wasn't because we didn't want to discusss it, it was because you consistantly did one of the above things.
If you got blocked it wasn't because we didn't want to discusss it, it was because you consistantly did one of the above things.
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