Carry question, Absolute newby concidering going there, so excuse the simplicity)

[dblas]

WTF is this chit.
I guess you need to get a HGP to buy a handgun in MD.

Nope, that would be a Handgun Qualification License (HQL(

But you need a W&C (AKA CCW for CA DOJ) to carry in MD.

Yep

I suppose with a W&C that satisfies the HGP requirement to buy a handgun in MD.

Nope, W&C allows you to carry only, not purchase.

But you can get a collectors license to allow you to get more quicker on your HGP for a fee.

First, there is no collectors license, it is a Designated Collectors Letter.

It is free.

Then the handgun needs to be on the roster?

Only if manufactured after 1985.

MD has trumped CA on this chit.

Not quite, but really close.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Once a handgun is on the Roster , it stays on the Roster forever . No removals , or continuing fees .

 

[cmb]

Thanks for the clarification. I guess I'm not too awfully confused.

Well, that makes ONE of us!

 

[BFMIN]

Wow!
I had no idea I'd opened such a can o' worms.
Thanks folks
so to precis.
2 permits, one to purchase (HQL) & another to carry (W&C), both with separate training classes & checks?

 

[308Scout]

Wow!
I had no idea I'd opened such a can o' worms.
Thanks folks
so to precis.
2 permits, one to purchase (HQL) & another to carry (W&C), both with separate training classes & checks?

If you do the W&C first, you can get the HQL for free when the W&C is approved (without needing a separate class, fingerprints, etc.).

MSI outlines the process for doing this on their W&C page.

Maryland Wear and Carry Permits

Last updated 11/28/2023We've brought a lawsuit against the enforcement of parts of SB 1 and other current carry restrictions. Learn about Novotny v. Moore here. See our guide here for how newly enacted laws affect your right to keep and bear arms.IntroductionPermit EligibilityTrainingApplication...

www.marylandshallissue.org

 

[Occam]

2 permits, one to purchase (HQL) & another to carry (W&C), both with separate training classes & checks?

If you take the Wear & Carry class (and pay for it, get the prints, apply, and get your permit), you can THEN skip a step (the HQL class and associated cost and another set of prints) by applying for the HQL with a free waiver of all of that. If you want the HQL before you get the W&C, then you have to pay twice, print twice, apply twice, and savor the wonderfulness of The Free State twice.

 

[BFMIN]

OK, stupid question.
How do I qualify with a handgun when I don't have a permit to buy one to qualify with?

 

[RFBfromDE]

OK, stupid question.
How do I qualify with a handgun when I don't have a permit to buy one to qualify with?

This one needs more "re-education" until he is broken.

Come back after the common sense has been beaten out of you.

 

[Occam]

OK, stupid question.
How do I qualify with a handgun when I don't have a permit to buy one to qualify with?

When you're shopping for a W&C class, see if the instructor has something to let you use as part of the class.

If you're completely new and haven't handled a handgun before, you should be taking a basic pistol class (say, the NRA flavor) which also can provide you with something to handle/shoot while you get the basics down. You can also rent a handgun (or several!) at many ranges, thereby also getting a sense for what you may want to purchase. But total newness should get you first in front of a capable acquaintance with things to shoot and time to show you the ropes, or into a class so that your W&C course isn't the first time you've shot anything.

Yes, it IS insane. That's how Maryland's deep-blue monolithic government wants it: gun owning should be as administratively and logistically expensive and troublesome as possible so that icky gun people leave state.

 

[rseymorejr]

And, to add to the confusion, you can buy a C&R eligable handgun (50+ years old) and no HQL is required.

 

[TI-tick]

OK, stupid question.
How do I qualify with a handgun when I don't have a permit to buy one to qualify with?

That's not a stupid question. Ignore those from DE; they like those nasty ass tomato pie potato chips.

Maybe find someone who wants to qualify for a W&C and attend the same class and you could share the qualifying firearm?

Or maybe an instructor would have a loaner; IDK about this one and it's prudent to practice before you qualify.

Occam beat me to it.

 

[TI-tick]

And, to add to the confusion, you can buy a C&R eligable handgun (50+ years old) and no HQL is required.

True, but you need a C&R.

 

[smokey]

Laws - Statute Text

This is how it's legally defined in COMAR.

 

[linkstate]

Agree with Occam. Once you take the NRA or similar basic pistol class (not required but good to do if completely new) ask the instructor where you want to take your W&C about a loaner firearm and what that would be. Then go to a range and rent that pistol. Most instructors seem to have a Glock 17 or 19 on hand.

Also ask the W&C instructor if they are using the required B-27 target.

That target is huge.

 

[jc1240]

Guntry provided them to the W&C folks who needed them, but I do not remember if gratis or rental.

EDIT: holy crap, I can't believe it's been a year since I took that class. I swear time accelerates with age.

 

[eruby]

Wow!
I had no idea I'd opened such a can o' worms.
Thanks folks
so to precis.
2 permits, one to purchase (HQL) & another to carry (W&C), both with separate training classes & checks?

Mostly, but to put a stranglehold on loser status, one is a license (HQL), and one is a permit (Handgun Permit)

So no, not two permits

 

[FeelTheNoise]

I feel bad for @BFMIN getting all this dumped on them when trying to get an answer to (what should be) a simple question, but I always get a kick of how clearly absurd the rules in MD sound when laid out one after another in a thread like this. It took almost two pages just to get a high level view of how to legally carry a pistol.

Between HQL/HGP and the all the rules regarding the 2013 ban, getting an answer out of lawmakers on what laws are actually saying always reminds me of this classic:

 

[kennyd]

FUMD

All I have to say on this...

 

[Mark75H]

True, but you need a C&R.

No, you do not. Guns over 50 years old are exempt,



'cause 50 years ago no one knew how to make a truly deadly handgun. /sarcasm off

 

[Threeband]

True, but you need a C&R.

No, you don't.
You can buy a handgun made in or before 1973 without a C&R license. You're just buying an older gun. A lot of gun stores have older used guns for sale.

You do not need an HQL to buy a handgun made in or before 1973.

If you do have a C&R license, you can receive it in interstate commerce, shipped to your door.