AG against military ammo for citizens

[teratos]

Who’s going to tell him?

 

[Allen65]

Anthony Brown should take a look-see at the recovered guns and ammo from the Baltimore City police and he'll see what type of ammo is killing and maiming Marylanders.

He simply doesn't care. The idea that the word "military" makes things scarier plays well with Anti-2A donors to the Party.

I have a shovel in my garage that's military surplus. I guess I should be afraid of it simply because of its heritage even though it's physically identical, and in some ways even inferior to, commercial shovels I own. Oh, wait, did I accidentally say I own more than one shovel? Uh, oh.

 

[willtill]

Or just burn it up on full auto, like we did after qual at Ft. Hood, because the CO didn't want to do the paperwork. Pretty sure I destroyed the barrel on that M16.

Yep. That's called the mad minute.

 

[TexDefender]

They clearly know nothing about ammunition, "military" or otherwise. But they're absolute masters when it comes to wordsmithing, and with identifying which angles to pursue to most effectively spin their position.

Kinda like the stereotypical used car salesman you see in the movies, in my opinion. They are not trustworthy at all.

 

[TheBert]

I'm guessing that Olin Winchester took into account the ability to use excess capacity at Lake City to make ammo for the civilian market, in case of insufficient military demand, as a factor in its bid to run the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant. So, not cool to try to take that away from them.

We should get the shoulder fired missiles available to the public in order to keep the manufacturers running continuously too.

 

[ras_oscar]

Lake City ammo plant is a strategic military asset. It is owned by the US Army and operated by contract. I believe at present it is operated by Winchester.

It operates in peace time at a low production level to satisfy the training requirement of the military, to keep the equipment in operating condition, to keep a trained and experienced staff in place and maintain the ability of the US military to quickly ramp up production during time of war. The anti 2A parties have it backard. Lake City doesn't support civilian shooting sports, shooting support Lake City.

Since it is a government asset i suspect if challenged the courts would find that the Government is within its rights to amend the operating contract and prohibit civilian sales. That would most likely mean either shuttering the plant and losing the strategic asset, or pouring the excess product into a very dangerous landfill.

If Lake City is no longer available to the civilian market the price of .223 will rise, and the vacuum will be filled with other manufacturers. Also, th cost to the taxpayer to operate and maintain the plant will go up since that contract alteration would eliminate an offsetting income stream to the Operator.

And, btw, didn't the military just change its main battle rifle from .223 to .227? Perhaps this is a political stunt because the plan all along was to discontinue .223 and replace it with .227.

Also, there i no such thing as military grade ammo. There is just ammo. When I look at my reloading manual I don't see loads for military use and civilian use, I just see saami specs. ( Except M1 Garand )

 

[Mark75H]

Also, there i no such thing as military grade ammo

Just like "sniper rifle"

 

[Allen65]

Also, there i no such thing as military grade ammo. There is just ammo. When I look at my reloading manual I don't see loads for military use and civilian use, I just see saami specs. ( Except M1 Garand )

The term "military grade" is meaningless in DoD contracting-speak or ballistics; it's a made-up term to sound scary. Actually, anyone who has ever worn a green suit knows that the somewhat related term "MIL Spec" means the cheapest sh*t money can buy that just barely meets the contract requirements, requirements which themselves are often flawed.

 

[AlBeight]

Lake City ammo plant is a strategic military asset. It is owned by the US Army and operated by contract. I believe at present it is operated by Winchester.

It operates in peace time at a low production level to satisfy the training requirement of the military, to keep the equipment in operating condition, to keep a trained and experienced staff in place and maintain the ability of the US military to quickly ramp up production during time of war. The anti 2A parties have it backard. Lake City doesn't support civilian shooting sports, shooting support Lake City.

Since it is a government asset i suspect if challenged the courts would find that the Government is within its rights to amend the operating contract and prohibit civilian sales. That would most likely mean either shuttering the plant and losing the strategic asset, or pouring the excess product into a very dangerous landfill.

If Lake City is no longer available to the civilian market the price of .223 will rise, and the vacuum will be filled with other manufacturers. Also, th cost to the taxpayer to operate and maintain the plant will go up since that contract alteration would eliminate an offsetting income stream to the Operator.

And, btw, didn't the military just change its main battle rifle from .223 to .227? Perhaps this is a political stunt because the plan all along was to discontinue .223 and replace it with .227.

Also, there i no such thing as military grade ammo. There is just ammo. When I look at my reloading manual I don't see loads for military use and civilian use, I just see saami specs. ( Except M1 Garand )

.277?

 

[[Kev308]]

If governments would stop creating new more efficient ways to kill people, we wouldn't have this problem.

 

[fishgutzy]

That commie is following Mexico.
The Mexican "2A" states that the people have the right to own guns except those designated for gov't and military use only. Then the gov't declared that anything larger than .38 special is for military and gov't only. And they mandated only one gun store in the entire country.
The plan worked. Mexico is now controlled by the cartels. Even the "president" is owned by the cartels.
Biden is letting the cartels and other terrorists invade through the southern border. Their response to locals defending the border is the same as the Mexican gov't when locals take up arms to defend against the cartels.
Biden is trying to send in federal law enforcement to arrest and disarm locals who dare defend the border when the feds won't do what they are constitutionally mandated to do.

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[tomcatfan]

The term "military grade" is meaningless in DoD contracting-speak or ballistics; it's a made-up term to sound scary. Actually, anyone who has ever worn a green suit knows that the somewhat related term "MIL Spec" means the cheapest sh*t money can buy that just barely meets the contract requirements, requirements which themselves are often flawed.

I mean my 80 grain eld, or 77 grain handloads do better than any ammo I've bought. If you think the government loads accurate ammo, find an AMU guy at a match and ask them what they are shooting. It isn't mil-spec ammo...