Mr H
Banana'd
If Scullin's ruling is to be taken seriously, they can't. "Self defense" was spelled out.
Now, TPM is a different beast...
Now, TPM is a different beast...
VICTORY IN PALMER!!!!
- Thread starter teratos
- Start date
The #1 community for Gun Owners of the Northeast
Member Benefits:
No ad networks! Discuss all aspects of firearm ownership Discuss anti-gun legislation Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses Discover free outdoor shooting areas View up to date on firearm-related events Share photos & video with other members ...and so much more!
Member Benefits:
G&S was ruled ok by the 4CA. It has no bearing on the DC Circuit and Judge Scullin.. IMO the wording in the Judge's order will prohibit any form of G & S restrictions. I hope we're right on this.
Chief Lanier said she's not worried about street level crime, just enhanced security for the Govt because of Wash's "unique" ( her words paraphrased) role as the seat of Govt. Those folks have more protection than Ft. Knox. What else do they propose?
IANAL.
Chief Lanier said she's not worried about street level crime, just enhanced security for the Govt because of Wash's "unique" ( her words paraphrased) role as the seat of Govt. Those folks have more protection than Ft. Knox. What else do they propose?
IANAL.
None of the plaintiffs here has what I would say is a heightened threat. So does DC give them a permit and then say no one else meets that threshold? Or do they just flat deny everyone? Only an idiot wouldn't see through those two scenarios. But then again we do have Federal judges more than willing to buy that kind of nonsense.
The question is (assuming no appeal) would Scullin have to OK this? Recall in Moore where CA7 allowed Illinois to simply pass a new law, and rule the case mooted at a point when a total ban was still in effect. I would agree Scullin's opinion makes it difficult, but if DC appeals then the DC Circuit may do what Posner did and allow for shenenigans to take place.
This is exactly what I would do if I were them. Nothing in that ruling forces D.C. to go shall issue. Rather than appeal a case they must lose, a sophisticated actor would revise the permit system to go may issue immediately. That would force a new lawsuit that would take years to litigate and who's outcome is unclear.
StantonCree
Watch your beer
- Jan 23, 2011
- 23,932
Just an FYI, I got a teletype stated that for 90 all previous laws are in effect but to be discretionary because some may not know about the stay......what this means is.....for 90 days....DONT CARRY IN DC.
I'm sure you all knew this already but just giving you the offical word!
Yes the infos late but I've been in training.
I'm sure you all knew this already but just giving you the offical word!
Yes the infos late but I've been in training.
I would love it if they did and it ended up backfiring on them to the degree that it also reversed Woolard
Mr H
Banana'd
Nothing will "reverse" Woollard, but hopefully we get something equivalent nationally.
Baker, Peruta, etc. loom large now.
Baker, Peruta, etc. loom large now.
- Jan 30, 2013
- 34,121
Don't all those unnamed, "sensitive things" (e.g. self-important people) to which she and others refer already have their own dedicated, specialized protection forces, some complete with their own dedicated, specialized swat teams, and all of which are separate and apart from MPD?
CypherPunk
Opinions Are My Own
- Apr 6, 2012
- 3,907
If Palmer goes to appellate court, and that decision is appealed... The SC just might decide Palmer is the right vehicle in which to resolve the inter-circuit split and rule on the RKBA.
That would most certainly "reverse" Wollard and resuscitate liberty.
That would most certainly "reverse" Wollard and resuscitate liberty.
Maestro Pistolero
Active Member
- Mar 20, 2012
- 876
Lanier truly ISN'T concerned about street crime, as she says. This is an inadvertent honest moment for a liberal anti-gunner. Short of confiscation, the anti-gunners could get everything on their bucket list, and still not touch inner-city gang and drug violence where 90% of gun homicides occur.
This is evidence that they really aren't sincere about public safety, or reducing gun violence. Those victims of that gun violence get no consideration whatsoever. Who is she concerned about? dignitaries, officials, politicians . . . you know, important people.
This is evidence that they really aren't sincere about public safety, or reducing gun violence. Those victims of that gun violence get no consideration whatsoever. Who is she concerned about? dignitaries, officials, politicians . . . you know, important people.
Mr H
Banana'd
CypherPunk
Opinions Are My Own
- Apr 6, 2012
- 3,907
Ironic, because legal aliens (ie dignitaries) could carry for self defense once the stay is lifted.
Maestro Pistolero
Active Member
- Mar 20, 2012
- 876
If there is a solid Scotus ruling for bearing outside of the home, another run could be taken at Maryland's good and substantial reason requirement. At that point it might even win on a motion for summary judgment.
- Jan 30, 2013
- 34,121
Of course they do, but that's hardly hand-wringing fodder for the press, is it?!!
Right.
Is there a comprehensive list or chart somewhere of ALL the various federal and DC gov't. police and protective forces with operations in DC, along with a breakdown of their manpower, budget, and description of their duties/powers/jurisdictions? Could be interesting.
Mr H
Banana'd
Wouild that include the District of Columbia Public Library Guard Force?
(I kid you not)
Here's a start...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_agencies_in_the_District_of_Columbia
Also seems that Miami U of Ohio has some information
(I kid you not)
Here's a start...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_agencies_in_the_District_of_Columbia
Also seems that Miami U of Ohio has some information
yellowfin
Pro 2A Gastronome
Actually couldn't Gura get the judge's attention and hold them in violation of the ruling, not requiring a lawsuit but merely court action?
