VICTORY IN PALMER!!!!

[yellowfin]

I get why, but if Gura had stonewalled and objected to any stay what would have happened.

Judge just gone with the 180 days?

If the Judge had gone with no stay would have have required an immediate appeal by DC?

I think both Gura and the judge sniffed something in the air that if they didn't go with the 90 days then the DC Circuit would have gone with a stay pending appeal meaning one that lasted the whole duration of the Circuit process, which could be years.

 

[fightinbluhen51]

Just heard on WMAL Chief Lanier said she's not worried about the impact of carry on street crime. She's more concerned about protection of dignitaries and other officials. Like someone bent on violence will worry about a law. History is full of law abiding citizens with permits killing govt officials

She's just parroting back the drivel being uttered by elitists on the DC City Council who think DC is different. It's different alright, but not for the reasosn they're stating.

idiots all.

Because criminals directly target foreign dignitaries that are surrounded by their own teams of security or security details afford by our tax dollars via the state department. Yup, attacking armed men whom are trained and generally carry more firepower than yourselves makes perfect tactical sense.

Hell, they are even known to attempt to penetrate the security measures at the capital and associated other .gov buildings with regularity!!!! I mean, with all those metal detectors and armed uniform capital police and all.

 

[swinokur]

Gordon Liddy smartly called this drivel

Nit wittery.

He was so right.

 

[Brooklyn]

I think both Gura and the judge sniffed something in the air that if they didn't go with the 90 days then the DC Circuit would have gone with a stay pending appeal meaning one that lasted the whole duration of the Circuit process, which could be years.

Gura has won enough cases to get the benefit of a 1000 doubts..

We are still likely to see a stay pending appeal from the circuit.... keeping if before thus judge for now is smart. .. it will force them on record on his time table....

 

[danb]

Hmm. DC Mayor is supposed to have a presser today about the DC strategy in Palmer. While looking I found this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...b17e1c-1808-11e4-9e3b-7f2f110c6265_story.html

In her most detailed comments since the ruling Saturday, Police Chief Cathy L. Lanier called for “reasonable provisions” restricting the public from bearing arms in sensitive locations at sensitive times. Otherwise, she said, the decision would have a relatively minimal impact on street crime or her department’s ability to police neighborhoods and lock up dangerous criminals who are found carrying guns.

“Law-abiding citizens that register firearms, that follow the rules, are not our worry,” she said. “Our worry really is, how do we maintain the level of security in the nation’s capital that we’re required to maintain 24 hours a day in the areas that we’re required to maintain that security?”

This sounds an awful lot like acceptance of the ruling.

 

[Inigoes]

Hmm. DC Mayor is supposed to have a presser today about the DC strategy in Palmer. While looking I found this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...b17e1c-1808-11e4-9e3b-7f2f110c6265_story.html



This sounds an awful lot like acceptance of the ruling.

Or setting up the next line of defense...

Since the Bear was found to be fundemental in the 2A. Guns are now outside of the door step.

National security is their next line of defense. We don't want to have any foreign dignitaries shot (creating an international incident), do we?

 

[fightinbluhen51]

Or setting up the next line of defense...

Since the Bear was found to be fundemental in the 2A. Guns are now outside of the door step.

National security is their next line of defense. We don't want to have any foreign dignitaries shot (creating an international incident), do we?

Maybe it's all Jack Bauer's fault for infiltrating the Russian Embassy?

 

[CrazySanMan]

Or setting up the next line of defense...



Since the Bear was found to be fundemental in the 2A. Guns are now outside of the door step.



National security is their next line of defense. We don't want to have any foreign dignitaries shot (creating an international incident), do we?

But she said law-abiding citizens carrying legally-registered firearms were of no concern, so she stuck her foot in her mouth if she's trying to create the new defense.

 

[Bob A]

Here is Lanier as quoted in todays WAPO' “Law-abiding citizens that register firearms, that follow the rules, are not our worry,” she said. “Our worry really is, how do we maintain the level of security in the nation’s capital that we’re required to maintain 24 hours a day in the areas that we’re required to maintain that security?”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...b17e1c-1808-11e4-9e3b-7f2f110c6265_story.html

Lanier's opinions and comments carry no weight, so far as I can see. It's all up to the legislators, not the Top Cop. Wait and see what she says once some legislation gets passed. She'll follow the company line.

 

[daNattyFatty]

“Our worry really is, how do we maintain the level of security in the nation’s capital that we’re required to maintain 24 hours a day in the areas that we’re required to maintain that security?”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...b17e1c-1808-11e4-9e3b-7f2f110c6265_story.html

To me, that statement makes ZERO sense. Various courts have long held that police don't have a duty to protect citizens. So what other "security" would her police be doing, if law abiding citizens aren't the problem, that they aren't doing now?

Don't these so called "sensitive areas" usually have their own police/armed security force anyway????????

Just read the article, and I agree... She is saying this is not going to be a huge deal. Almost as if she's conceding that carry is an eventuality in the District.

But this struck me:

I can make that really simple for her... Let the law-abiding gun owners handle their own first-level security, then you can get back to brown-nosing the "dignitaries".

I stand by my earlier assessment that they really don't care about the average citizen's safety.

 

[swinokur]

Lanier's opinions and comments carry no weight, so far as I can see. It's all up to the legislators, not the Top Cop. Wait and see what she says once some legislation gets passed. She'll follow the company line.

That's true, but it may give possible insight into the inner sanctum's new feelings on the issue. This may give us a possible clue as to what their future actions might be.

 

[CrazySanMan]

That's true, but it may give possible insight into the inner sanctum's new feelings on the issue. This may give us a possible clue as to what their future actions might be.

Security of dignitaries is the final defense for the anti-2A crowd in DC. I think they will play that card, but I think it's weak sauce compared to the COTUS.

 

[danb]

Lanier's opinions and comments carry no weight, so far as I can see. It's all up to the legislators, not the Top Cop. Wait and see what she says once some legislation gets passed. She'll follow the company line.

No, they carry an enormous amount of weight. She is a key stakeholder in crafting new legislation. Politicians, city council, and the mayor hear the Chief law enforcement officer in D.C. saying: We can deal with this. Not: blood running in the streets.

 

[Inigoes]

No, they carry an enormous amount of weight. She is a key stakeholder in crafting new legislation. Politicians, city council, and the mayor hear the Chief law enforcement officer in D.C. saying: We can deal with this. Not: blood running in the streets.

Now, that you mention it.

Gura should attach a copy of her statement to the appeal opposition motion, when DC appeals.

 

[danb]

Now, that you mention it.

Gura should attach a copy of her statement to the appeal opposition motion, when DC appeals.

I don't think he has to. Judges read the paper.

 

[Rack&Roll]

To hell with Chief Lanier. She thinks she runs the Metropolitan Dignitary Police Department, and will provide crime scene tape and DOA chalk outlines on the pavement for the locals if she can find the time.

 

[Bob A]

Security of dignitaries is the final defense for the anti-2A crowd in DC. I think they will play that card, but I think it's weak sauce compared to the COTUS.

Secret Service Uniform Division is all about this. Not a DC issue, though they'll use it as a smokescreen.

 

[Bob A]

No, they carry an enormous amount of weight. She is a key stakeholder in crafting new legislation. Politicians, city council, and the mayor hear the Chief law enforcement officer in D.C. saying: We can deal with this. Not: blood running in the streets.

I'm hoping this is the case, actually. But her authority is still subject to the DC Council, and whatever they create in the way of legal sausage.

 

[CypherPunk]

If you take Chief Lanier at her word, that law abiding citizens have little or no effect on crime (and attacking a dignitary or "sensitive" installation would still presumably be a criminal act...

How would the threat to dignitaries and installations change if responsible, law abiding citizens (as determined by the MPD) were "permitted" to exercise their inalienable rights?

If anything, aliens could apply for a permit and have an increased defense as well as a general deterrent as criminals would likely move to unarmed victims in Maryland.

 

[ryan_j]

Looks like they want to carbon copy Maryland complete with G&S:

http://blogs.rollcall.com/hill-blotter/d-c-officials-plotting-new-course-to-keep-gun-control-intact/