Form 1 SBR "disapproved" because AW are Illegal in MD??

matt_yamaha_guy_450 · Dec 18, 2014

Hey everyone just a heads up! I have been following this thread and I was bummed to read all of the issues since i submitted an e form-1 on 11/14/14 i wasn't sure of the outcome. I just checked my e-mail and I was approved as of yesterday!! For (2) 10.5" sbr's one 9mm and one 5.56 hope this gives you all some hope. Needless to say I am very happy!!

Boonie Hat · Dec 18, 2014

I submitted a form 1 for an SBS 11/6 and one for 10.5 SBR 11/17. Hopefully this means I'll hear back soon

matt_yamaha_guy_450 · Dec 18, 2014

Boonie Hat said:
I submitted a form 1 for an SBS 11/6 and one for 10.5 SBR 11/17. Hopefully this means I'll hear back soon

I wonder why i received mine back before your 11/6 ? Luck of the draw i guess

Boonie Hat · Dec 18, 2014

matt_yamaha_guy_450 said:
I wonder why i received mine back before your 11/6 ? Luck of the draw i guess

Who knows. They were more than happy to take my money though

matt_yamaha_guy_450 · Dec 18, 2014

Boonie Hat said:
Who knows. They were more than happy to take my money though

Maybe a sbs could be next for me hmm...

SWO Daddy · Dec 18, 2014

matt_yamaha_guy_450 said:
I wonder why i received mine back before your 11/6 ? Luck of the draw i guess

Luck indeed. You did better than most

rico903 · Dec 20, 2014

Well this sounds like good news. Time to get my application in if I can figure out how to efile.
Now just to muck things up bit. I was in local class 3 dealer tonite and he told me MD now accepted 28" as min length. He said they did this to accommodate Berettas 5.56 with a 8" barrel and that he has had 2 approved. Cpl Edwards is his contact point as well and told him they were god to go. ????????

Wayne1one · Dec 20, 2014

rico903 said:
Well this sounds like good news. Time to get my application in if I can figure out how to efile.
Now just to muck things up bit. I was in local class 3 dealer tonite and he told me MD now accepted 28" as min length. He said they did this to accommodate Berettas 5.56 with a 8" barrel and that he has had 2 approved. Cpl Edwards is his contact point as well and told him they were god to go. ????????

Yeah this doesn't sound right at all. Who is this "local class 3 dealer"? I am assuming that you are talking about the Beretta ARX100, I didn't know that they even released any optional barrels for this rifle yet. Furthermore the short barreled option for the ARX100 would be a 12" barrel similar to what ARX160 (5.56) is running over seas.

SWO Daddy · Dec 20, 2014

rico903 said:
Well this sounds like good news. Time to get my application in if I can figure out how to efile.
Now just to muck things up bit. I was in local class 3 dealer tonite and he told me MD now accepted 28" as min length. He said they did this to accommodate Berettas 5.56 with a 8" barrel and that he has had 2 approved. Cpl Edwards is his contact point as well and told him they were god to go. ????????

That can't be right.

schnejerator · Dec 20, 2014

^ What they said.

When my pre ban HK94 clone was disapproved back in July, the form 1 stated: "THE DEFINITION OF THIS GCA ITEM WOULD BE CHANGED TO NFA AS A RESULT OF THIS APPLICATION AND THE INTENT TO BUILD. THE ITEM WOULD BE CLASSIFIED BY MD AS A COPY CAT WEAPON AS A RESULT OF THE OVERALL LENGTH BEING <29". SEE MD STATE CRIMINAL LAW 4-303. REFUND SENT THIS DATE. JASON DICKEN."

But, stranger things have happened.

bobthefisher · Dec 20, 2014

He's referring to 29 inches, as it was 30 inches when it was first proposed in the legislation. He just slipped up on the length. The Beretta ARX was the reasoning for dropping it down to 29 inches from 30, as one of the ARX models was 29.5 inches. It was done to appease Beretta in order to get them to stay in MD for manufacturing. We can thank them for that extra inch, as it does make a difference.

Wayne1one · Dec 20, 2014

bobthefisher said:
He's referring to 29 inches, as it was 30 inches when it was first proposed in the legislation. He just slipped up on the length. The Beretta ARX was the reasoning for dropping it down to 29 inches from 30, as one of the ARX models was 29.5 inches. It was done to appease Beretta in order to get them to stay in MD for manufacturing. We can thank them for that extra inch, as it does make a difference.

In a game of inches, every inch matters! I wish it was 28" though....

pitpawten · Dec 20, 2014

bobthefisher said:
It was done to appease Beretta in order to get them to stay in MD for manufacturing.

And they still left...love it

rico903 · Dec 21, 2014

bobthefisher said:
He's referring to 29 inches, as it was 30 inches when it was first proposed in the legislation. He just slipped up on the length. The Beretta ARX was the reasoning for dropping it down to 29 inches from 30, as one of the ARX models was 29.5 inches. It was done to appease Beretta in order to get them to stay in MD for manufacturing. We can thank them for that extra inch, as it does make a difference.

That was my thought as well. I think he just mixed his #s up.

Abacab · Dec 29, 2014

bobthefisher said:
He's referring to 29 inches, as it was 30 inches when it was first proposed in the legislation. He just slipped up on the length. The Beretta ARX was the reasoning for dropping it down to 29 inches from 30, as one of the ARX models was 29.5 inches. It was done to appease Beretta in order to get them to stay in MD for manufacturing. We can thank them for that extra inch, as it does make a difference.

Incorrect. The length change of 30" to 29" was done after Vallario was informed that Beretta's popular CX4 Storm would be banned as a result of the 30" rule. The CX4 measures at 29.7".

The ARX already fails under the neutered rifle feature test regardless of length.

OrbitalEllipses · Dec 29, 2014

Wayne1one said:
In a game of inches, every inch matters! I wish it was 28" though....

Wayne1one · Dec 29, 2014

Ha! At least someone got a kick out of that!

bobthefisher · Dec 30, 2014

Abacab said:
Incorrect. The length change of 30" to 29" was done after Vallario was informed that Beretta's popular CX4 Storm would be banned as a result of the 30" rule. The CX4 measures at 29.7".

The ARX already fails under the neutered rifle feature test regardless of length.

You are correct sir! I knew it was one of the Beretta guns, that's what i get for assuming.

Captnstabn · Jan 8, 2015

I was disapproved today by ted. Reasons below. I don't understand the part about my name, it matches exactly as on the trust down to middle initial and capitalization. The second half about md law is pretty much expected at this point, although it doesn't make much sense either.

Does anyone have his email? I called and left a message, but getting him on the phone seems impossible, and I'd rather have a written answer.

Submitted 12/2 with msp letter attached.

NAME OF APPLICANT INCORRECT COMPARED TO SUPPORTING DOCUMENT IDENTIFYING TRUST AGREEMENT - ALSO SHOULD VERIFY THE REQUEST, WHERE THE STATE OF MD NOT TO CONSIDER THE MAKING OF AN ASSAULT WEAPON ? PROHIBITED, REFUND IN PROCESS...TEC

schnejerator · Jan 8, 2015

Captnstabn said:
I was disapproved today by ted. Reasons below. I don't understand the part about my name, it matches exactly as on the trust down to middle initial and capitalization. The second half about md law is pretty much expected at this point, although it doesn't make much sense either.

Does anyone have his email? I called and left a message, but getting him on the phone seems impossible, and I'd rather have a written answer.

Submitted 12/2 with msp letter attached.

NAME OF APPLICANT INCORRECT COMPARED TO SUPPORTING DOCUMENT IDENTIFYING TRUST AGREEMENT - ALSO SHOULD VERIFY THE REQUEST, WHERE THE STATE OF MD NOT TO CONSIDER THE MAKING OF AN ASSAULT WEAPON ? PROHIBITED, REFUND IN PROCESS...TEC

Sorry to hear this... they denied my F4 trust suppressor for similar name issues last November (dont know who it was as dealer submitted for me).

Guess I know what to expect next week in my SBR...

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