Combloc
Stop Negassing me!!!!!
Has anyone come up with a definitive answer as to whether or not the Cetme is now legal for sale/purchase in this state? Time to let my old horse go but I don't want to break the law. So, long arm or banned arm?
Cetme legal now or no?
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altima98
Active Member
- Apr 6, 2008
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If it was regulated before, its probably banned now.
Check this thread
http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=48182
Check this thread
http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=48182
Vile Shadow
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- Feb 28, 2013
- 28,953
It's not specifically on the list. The question is if it's a copy of something on the list.
-Z/28-
I wanna go fast
Not exactly. The Hk91(G3) is a copy of the CETME not the other way around. The Hk is the banned firearm.
The real question is "is it banned if something on the list is a copy of it?"
I would argue that no, it shouldn't be banned(although MSP probably will say it is banned), as it's not completely parts compatible with the G3. To draw a very loose comparison, the CETME is to the G3 what the M1 is to the M1A.
Vile Shadow
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- Feb 28, 2013
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Then why is that some gas piston AR's are banned, if the CETME isn't?
Because every time a gas piston AR is made an angel cries and a puppy gets kicked.
'04 Cummins
Defenestrator
While we're discussing this, how about the L1A1 vs the FAL? I didn't come up with much while searching. Is the L1A1 with it's inch parts different enough from the metric FAL?
- Feb 4, 2013
- 28,175
That would be an interesting one, since not all parts are interchangeable, due to dimension differences. 
ThawMyTongue
Ultimate Member
Vile Shadow
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- Feb 28, 2013
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I'm sure every dealer would know that. The question is would they transfer it, and we all know the answer to that because no one would want to be a test case.
ken792
Ultimate Member
I would think it is. The CETME is mechanically identical to the G3, but not fully parts interchangeable. The AR-10 is mechanically identical to the AR-15, but not fully parts interchangeable. The CETME predates the G3. The AR-10 predates the AR-15.
In addition, this is how it's worded:
Since the Mini-14 w/folding stock ban does not apply to non folding stock Mini-14's and the SKS w/ detachable mag ban does not apply to fix mag SKS rifles, and the SIG550 in .223 ban does not apply to SIG556R's in 7.62x39, is this a blanket ban on all G3 derivatives or just the specific models listed here?
Of course, there's also this:
Of course, logic does not apply in MD.
In addition, this is how it's worded:
It specifies the A3 (retractable stock) variant of the HK91, the A2 variant of the HK93 (fixed stock), and the A2/A3 (fixed and collapsible stock) variant of the HK94.
Since the Mini-14 w/folding stock ban does not apply to non folding stock Mini-14's and the SKS w/ detachable mag ban does not apply to fix mag SKS rifles, and the SIG550 in .223 ban does not apply to SIG556R's in 7.62x39, is this a blanket ban on all G3 derivatives or just the specific models listed here?
Of course, there's also this:
Maybe a ban on Springfield Armory G3's is interpreted as a ban on all things G3? The ban on Springfield Armory M1A's is a ban on all M1A/M14 semi auto rifles rather than just that specifically named product.
Of course, logic does not apply in MD.
-Z/28-
I wanna go fast
Perhaps an FFL here could ask MSP for clarification on this one? Being sure to present the fact that they are NOT completely parts interchangeable.
j_h_smith
Ultimate Member
- Jul 28, 2007
- 28,516
When I bought mine years ago, I do believe it was C&C. I could be wrong, but I really do believe it was C&C.
Jim Smith
Jim Smith
janklow
Active Member
- Feb 6, 2013
- 880
conversely, i know when i bought my CETME, it was sold as regulated... but this was also in 2003, and who knows if that dealer was just flat-out wrong about the need to consider it regulated.
Combloc
Stop Negassing me!!!!!
It was always supposed to be C&C as it was never on the regulated list. Most dealers wouldn't sell it that way though.
j_h_smith
Ultimate Member
- Jul 28, 2007
- 28,516
Thanks for confirming. This old man's mind still functions some of the times.
Jim Smith
