Suggested Legislation

montoya32 · Feb 5, 2016

Post up the text of any suggestions you have sent to you representatives for the rest of us to modify and use.

I am writing to you today to ask you to consider a piece of legislation that I believe is important. Maryland has long been know for its disregard for the rights of its citizens concerning firearm ownership. The FSA of 2013 has done more to dissuade people from moving to Maryland and has even been the catalyst for some to relocate out of our great state. In particular, the Handgun Qualification License has put an additional burden, both financial and procedural, on all Marylanders.

I am asking that a bill be proposed that would remove the 7 day wait for firearm purchases. The HQL, which currently takes anywhere from 14-30 to be approved, is a much more thorough replacement for the 7 day wait or “cooling off” period. The 7 day wait was originally introduced to prevent an impulse purchase and subsequent crime being committed by the purchaser. The HQL process substantially increases this “cooling off” period when you consider the need for training, finger printing and then the time it takes our state police to process the application and deliver the license itself.

I also believe the removal of the 7 day wait would be welcomes by firearms dealers who have to store purchased firearms for 7-8 days in order to conform to our irrational laws.

I hope you will all find the time to discuss my suggestion with your peers and to present it in time to be considered during this legislative session.

Thanks you for your time and efforts on behalf of all Marylanders,

Raineman · Feb 5, 2016

Correct me if I'm wrong Tim (or anyone else), but I believe the original 7 day waiting period was not a "cooling off" number that was selected, but a necessary result of approving paperwork in the days of snail mail. They allowed 3 days to mail, 1 day to review, and 3 days for it to get back in the mail.

Was this not where the original "7 days" was derived? And if so, with email and fax nowadays, it should really be about 7 minutes instead of days (exaggerating somewhat)

I think it was "made" into a "cooling off" period by a politician, which really had nothing to do with why there was originally a "waiting period".

Certainly not trying to sidetrack the thread, but if I am correct, it should change your letter.

daggo66 · Feb 5, 2016

montoya32 said:
Post up the text of any suggestions you have sent to you representatives for the rest of us to modify and use.

I am writing to you today to ask you to consider a piece of legislation that I believe is important. Maryland has long been know for its disregard for the rights of its citizens concerning firearm ownership. The FSA of 2013 has done more to dissuade people from moving to Maryland and has even been the catalyst for some to relocate out of our great state. In particular, the Handgun Qualification License has put an additional burden, both financial and procedural, on all Marylanders.

I am asking that a bill be proposed that would remove the 7 day wait for firearm purchases. The HQL, which currently takes anywhere from 14-30 to be approved, is a much more thorough replacement for the 7 day wait or “cooling off” period. The 7 day wait was originally introduced to prevent an impulse purchase and subsequent crime being committed by the purchaser. The HQL process substantially increases this “cooling off” period when you consider the need for training, finger printing and then the time it takes our state police to process the application and deliver the license itself.

I also believe the removal of the 7 day wait would be welcomes by firearms dealers who have to store purchased firearms for 7-8 days in order to conform to our irrational laws.

I hope you will all find the time to discuss my suggestion with your peers and to present it in time to be considered during this legislative session.

Thanks you for your time and efforts on behalf of all Marylanders,

The intended purpose of the 7 day wait was not a cooling off period. It was to give enough time for the background checks to be completed. Now with everything being electronic, most come back within 3 days. Better wording would be that he thorough check is done with the HQL. Their fear will be that something can happen during the 10 years of the HQL. However, anything that should turn that person into a prohibited person would have been addressed and reported to NICS. Therefore after the HQL, only the NICS should be required with no waiting period.

montoya32 · Feb 5, 2016

Raineman said:
Correct me if I'm wrong Tim (or anyone else), but I believe the original 7 day waiting period was not a "cooling off" number that was selected, but a necessary result of approving paperwork in the days of snail mail. They allowed 3 days to mail, 1 day to review, and 3 days for it to get back in the mail.

Was this not where the original "7 days" was derived? And if so, with email and fax nowadays, it should really be about 7 minutes instead of days (exaggerating somewhat)

I think it was "made" into a "cooling off" period by a politician, which really had nothing to do with why there was originally a "waiting period".

Certainly not trying to sidetrack the thread, but if I am correct, it should change your letter.

daggo66 said:
The intended purpose of the 7 day wait was not a cooling off period. It was to give enough time for the background checks to be completed. Now with everything being electronic, most come back within 3 days. Better wording would be that he thorough check is done with the HQL. Their fear will be that something can happen during the 10 years of the HQL. However, anything that should turn that person into a prohibited person would have been addressed and reported to NICS. Therefore after the HQL, only the NICS should be required with no waiting period.

Modify my words however you'd like, but send it to your reps.

Raineman · Feb 5, 2016

montoya32 said:
Modify my words however you'd like, but send it to your reps.

I never have a problem contacting my Reps.

I just believe we should arm our Reps with factual information. Was not a knock on you.

montoya32 · Feb 5, 2016

Raineman said:
I never have a problem contacting my Reps.

I just believe we should arm our Reps with factual information. Was not a knock on you.

I understand. I was not around when the 7 day wait was implemented. I have always had to wait. My impression was it was a "cooling off" period.

tsmith1499 · Feb 5, 2016

Originally it was for background checks. Sometime after it was implemented a politician thought it would sound better and go over better if it was called a "cooling of period". Gun control at it's infancy. 7 day wait started in 1966. Interesting reading. http://cnsmaryland.org/2013/02/22/history-of-gun-legislation-in-maryland/

Pinecone · Feb 5, 2016

If it was ever said officially that it was a cooling off period, then there is precedence to have to removed. It happened to CA.

makijo · Feb 5, 2016

From the MSP Web Pages:

Regulated Firearm Purchases

During the 7-day waiting period, the Department of the Maryland State Police checks a series of databases to include the Criminal Justice Information System, Criminal History Indexes, District Courts, Parole and Probation, Motor Vehicle Administration, Juvenile Justice System, and the Department of Health and Mental Hygiene. The Department of State Police also causes a check to be made through the FBI’s National Instant Check System. The Department then notifies the dealer whether or not the person is prohibited from possessing a firearm. Secondary sales may be transferred after 7-days if the seller has not been notified by the State Police to discontinue the sale.

Brychan · Feb 5, 2016

How about suggesting they do away with the waiting period all together. Go through MSP for the HQL, then NICS for the actual purchase. Should someone become prohibited after the HQL is issued, MSP revoke it and notify the FBI. Easy peasy.

Pinecone · Feb 6, 2016

Court case.

Uncle Duke · Feb 6, 2016

Pinecone said:
Court case.

Amen.

Up_in_BoCo · Feb 22, 2016

Isn't the NICS check a part of the HQL approval process?

Couldn't you do away with that check as well, since you are now a card carrying govt. approved firearms purchaser?

Jim12 · Feb 22, 2016

Up_in_BoCo said:
Isn't the NICS check a part of the HQL approval process?

Couldn't you do away with that check as well, since you are now a card carrying govt. approved firearms purchaser?

That would defeat the purpose of making every purchase, every exercise of one's rights as cumbersome, burdensome, and expensive as possible. :sarcasm:

BeoBill · Feb 22, 2016

Brychan said:
How about suggesting they do away with the waiting period all together. Go through MSP for the HQL, then NICS for the actual purchase. Should someone become prohibited after the HQL is issued, MSP revoke it and notify the FBI. Easy peasy.

That has ALWAYS been the problem. The MSP is so busy looking at databases for a reason to deny/disqualify you that, when someone actually becomes disqualified, they don't have time to update NICS 9.75 times out of ten.

Maryland is one of the worst states when it comes to updating NICS. And the idiot MGA wants to implement the No Fly List. Sure...

BeoBill · Feb 22, 2016

tsmith1499 said:
Originally it was for background checks. Sometime after it was implemented a politician thought it would sound better and go over better if it was called a "cooling of period". Gun control at it's infancy. 7 day wait started in 1966. Interesting reading. http://cnsmaryland.org/2013/02/22/history-of-gun-legislation-in-maryland/

It was sold as a "cooling off period" in NY and Illinois in the 60s and 70s. I was there.

ar154u · Feb 23, 2016

The 7 day wait was for the time it took to check the 20 something databases which Maryland has and didn't want us to know about. We know about them now since the politicians can't keep track of excuses they give and it came out that all of these databases exist and are checked. We are waking up, but don't lose sight of the real reasons. Mail can run fast if you're willing to pay for it.

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