Jstevens56
Ultimate Member
If you're going under 16" OAL, you have to tell .gov. i.e. get a stamp.
AR-15 SBR n00b questions
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If you're going under 16" OAL, you have to tell .gov. i.e. get a stamp.
Homemade or storebought, if it's an SBR, having an approved Form 1 or 4 is highly recommended. But weigh the options and decide: $200 Tax stamp + a few other minimal fees vs. $250K fine and 10 years in jail.
Jstevens56
Ultimate Member
Homemade or storebought, if it's an SBR, having an approved Form 1 or 4 is highly recommended. But weigh the options and decide: $200 Tax stamp + a few other minimal fees vs. $250K fine and 10 years in jail.
You forgot: never being able to own/touch a gun again.
Eviljagtech
Infected w/ Freedom
From what I understand you can not make a NFA item at home, SBR, Suppressor, SBS, or AOW. Someone can correct if im wrong but i thought those were the exceptions in home building.
IMBLITZVT
Ultimate Member
Yes, at others stated, NFA does not care home built or not. If its a SBR (barrel under 16" not OAL) or a MG or a AOW, then it needs a stamp. They will not issue one for a MG, so you can't legally make one anymore. However you can do SBRs and AOWs. AOW being basically a pistol AR with a front vertical grip.
IMBLITZVT
Ultimate Member
Sorry, you are wrong. You can make a SBR, SBS, DD, AOW, Supressor and if we were able to go back prior to 1986, a MG at your house as a home build.
You just fill out the paperwork, send it the the ATF with $200+ and wait for it to come back and you can build anything you want. That is unless its a MG in which case they will deny you the stamp today.
Why do you think they did the ban of MGs in 86... $200 was becoming affordable and they had people making MGs in their basements...
Kingjamez
Gun Builder
Yep, I just got a stamp back to turn one of my home built AR lowers into an SBR. No problem, at all.
-Jim
-Jim
A form 1 is literally "permission to manufacture". Of course you can build it at home!
- Apr 4, 2013
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Alright. Please pardon my grammar. I was typing it on my iPhone.
Next question: Have anyone of you have encountered a police stopping you and to inspect your SBR?
Next question: Have anyone of you have encountered a police stopping you and to inspect your SBR?
Nope. Worst I've ever had is "that's legal, right?" Show the engraving, and everyone's happy.
Have several uppers. I was told by the nfa that I just had to have the original upper on it if it went to transfer. I don't have that in writing so do you believe that to be true.
- Apr 4, 2013
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Ummmmm. I am going to get two lower ARs before Oct 1. I plan to make both of those for SBR with a 7.5" .223 and a 11.5" .300 BLK in mix of several >16" barrels in .223 and a16.5" .300 BLK.
So I will need to get stamped for the SBR barrels and not the lowers? I hope I could get the stamps after Oct 1. LOL.
So I will need to get stamped for the SBR barrels and not the lowers? I hope I could get the stamps after Oct 1. LOL.
No, you need to get both lowers stamped, not the barrels. So, $400 (2x$200).
Also worth noting: if you have a multi-marked lower, you should engrave the caliber from the form 1 on the lower along with your trust name and location. I suspect some people miss this.
No possible way you'll get those stamps before October, unless the examiners take pity on you. MSP will probably let pre-10/1 forms slide by, but some of it is up to the ATF, too.
Also worth noting: if you have a multi-marked lower, you should engrave the caliber from the form 1 on the lower along with your trust name and location. I suspect some people miss this.
No possible way you'll get those stamps before October, unless the examiners take pity on you. MSP will probably let pre-10/1 forms slide by, but some of it is up to the ATF, too.
I was heavily questioned by a PA Game Commission Officer while shooting my SBR and suppressed pistol at a public range in Pa last year, but only because he was ignorant of the law. He stared at my paperwork for about 20 minutes then announced that those weapons were illegal in PA since I was an MD resident and he may have to arrest me. Luckily his Sgt. showed up and set him straight. I had a 6.8SPC shorty upper on my SBR lower which is registered as 5.56, the Sgt. mentioned the difference in caliber but only to ask how I liked the 6.8
USAFRavenR6
Active Member
I disagree with this. I am not manufacturing anything out of raw materials when I mate a lower with an upper. I am modifying or assembling it into another configuration, not manufacturing.
You should read what that form 1 is: permission to manufacture. You are manufacturing. It really is that simple, and playing this semantics game isn't going to impress the ATF or the MSP.
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240 towles
master of puppets
ATF does state that any NFA weapon besides an AOW needs thier permission before traveling interstate.
Yep and I had that with me (the 5320.20), officer still didn't know what it was.
Kingjamez
Gun Builder
Kingjamez
Gun Builder
Not to nit-pick.... Well, yes to nit-pick, but a Form 1 is NOT "permission to manufacture" anything. It IS an "Application to Make and Register a Firearm" where make is NOT equal to manufacture and firearm in this context only covers NFA items (not any firearm). The ATF does differentiate between the two words where manufacture can be included in make, but making doesn't have to include manufacturing.
Some evidence is that if you are using an existing firearm to make into a SBR/SBS the ATF asks for the original serial number. If you were manufacturing a new firearm, a new serial number would be required.
In the case something like finishing an 80%, the Form 1 doesn't cover or apply to any part of turning an 80% into a firearm, it only covers making it into an NFA item.
An example where a Form 1 covers manufacturing is making a silencer, where you are making it from scratch and thus manufacturing it.
Where that will lead in regard to making an SBR after Oct 1, I'm not qualified to say. However, I will be sending in another Form 1 to SBR my Glock in the near future.
-Jim
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