BCPD Strikes Again!

[DaedalEVE]

BCPD are generally the lowest informed group of LEOs. Actually, the gun squad of BCPD is probably the dumbest group.

Nothing like calling for help and getting laughed at when you try to stop government sanctioned theft.

You mean the "Firearms Interdiction Taskforce" (aka: CID/FIT)?
Yeah... I'm familiar with a detective J. Ryan from that unit. At least he was running it back in 2009 (no idea about now).
Those guys literally make stuff up in order to prevent the return of any firearm.

It's far easier (and less stressful) to go the legal route than deal with the county directly. That much I know.
Even then I've heard stories of court orders to return firearms being ignored by CID/FIT.

this is a big deal, keep us apprised.

Wait, do you have some kind of conviction on your record? That is the only way I could see them being able to do this.

No arrests, no convictions, my only criminal history involves a misdemeanor "computer hacking" charge from 2001 which resulted in a nolle pros.
No protective orders, no history of violence...

It seems they (county police) just do whatever they want really. They clearly SAY anything they want (or think) regardless of it's accuracy.

 

[fred2207]

You mean the "Firearms Interdiction Taskforce" (aka: CID/FIT)?

It seems they (county police) just do whatever they want really. They clearly SAY anything they want (or think) regardless of it's accuracy.

Sounds like a particular former BCPD poster on this forum....

 

[CrazyIvan]

And people wonder why law abiding citizens are wary of police.

 

[Rhome3]

I generally don't like where anti-cop discussions go because they truly are aimed at the small minority of police officers who are incompetent. However, this is Maryland. Maryland police would be among the first in the nation to willfully enforce door to door searches/seizures of firearms. They can suck my tiddly widdly from behind.

 

[pwoolford]

How did pistol come up in the first place? I doubt many people can tell the difference between a 14.5 and 16 by just looking at it.

What was their justification for taking it? Was it related to being a pistol or did they think you couldn't have an AR?

 

[DaedalEVE]

There are no charges filed. They can't size property without doing that, unless they are calling it civil forfiture.

That was my understanding as well. No charges = can't seize property.

Get ready for their feet dragging to get them back. Ask me how I know.

My guess is you've been through this before.
I have as well, in 2009. There were no charges involved back then either, yet the police thought they had the right to enter my home and actually go through the house looking for things.
I was less educated back then so nothing was done, but I learned a lot since.

Couple of things I don't understand... you left a firearm visible out in the open when you knew strangers were coming into your home. I'm not judging, but would love to know your reason for not placing it out of sight. You must have had a very good reason for that. And why would they confiscate your other, non-visible firearms? And please don't take this as anything other than curiosity and the opportunity for a learning experience... I mean no disrespect.

I had the AR where it was so I could get to it easily if need be. It's just me and my mother here, no children, so I have no need to have anything hidden. I always have SOMETHING loaded, just in case it may be needed, but only one. That night it happened to be the AR pistol (because of the part of the house I was in).
When I made the call to 911 I wasn't expecting police to show up. In fact I was laying flat on the ground on my back trying to call. I couldn't even get up to turn the light on. When the police arrived they pretty much invited themselves in. I just saw flashlights poking in the door, a voice saying "hello?" and I asked who was there. They didn't even really identify themselves until after they came in and were over top of me, took the phone from me and told dispatch they were there.
If I would have KNOWN LEO's were going to be entering I would have had everything I owned away, locked up, and behind multiple locked doors... And even met them OUTSIDE and locked the house door behind me.
I take ZERO CHANCES with these people when it comes to "expectation of privacy".
It's sad, but this is what you have to do in order to ensure no one takes your stuff these days.

sorry to hear this. Glad to hear you are ok. Lawyer is best option. Good luck and please keep us posted

Just hope it doesn't cost a fortune... otherwise there is little purpose in even trying. Though I suppose you can sue for expenses as well. I'm not really sure how that works.

 

[Abacab]

That was my understanding as well. No charges = can't seize property.


My guess is you've been through this before.
I have as well, in 2009. There were no charges involved back then either, yet the police thought they had the right to enter my home and actually go through the house looking for things.
I was less educated back then so nothing was done, but I learned a lot since.


I had the AR where it was so I could get to it easily if need be. It's just me and my mother here, no children, so I have no need to have anything hidden. I always have SOMETHING loaded, just in case it may be needed, but only one. That night it happened to be the AR pistol (because of the part of the house I was in).
When I made the call to 911 I wasn't expecting police to show up. In fact I was laying flat on the ground on my back trying to call. I couldn't even get up to turn the light on. When the police arrived they pretty much invited themselves in. I just saw flashlights poking in the door, a voice saying "hello?" and I asked who was there. They didn't even really identify themselves until after they came in and were over top of me, took the phone from me and told dispatch they were there.
If I would have KNOWN LEO's were going to be entering I would have had everything I owned away, locked up, and behind multiple locked doors... And even met them OUTSIDE and locked the house door behind me.
I take ZERO CHANCES with these people when it comes to "expectation of privacy".
It's sad, but this is what you have to do in order to ensure no one takes your stuff these days.


Just hope it doesn't cost a fortune... otherwise there is little purpose in even trying. Though I suppose you can sue for expenses as well. I'm not really sure how that works.

People probably think I am a paid shill for CharlieFoxtrot at this point but he managed to recover a machine gun from BCPD on my behalf. Should you choose to go with him, you'll be in good hands.

I personally didn't have any guns taken by BCPD but I was involved with getting the aforementioned machine gun back from them that I had purchased.

 

[lennyk]

Police are typically not 1st responders for a medical emergency (unless threat to self). A 911 call for chest pain does not summon the police. If medics are not available then the fire department responds. This is very unusual. Why were the police summoned by the dispatcher? I don't even think they carry AED as standard.

 

[DaedalEVE]

I'm interested in what the tab ends up being if you do seek legal action. I'm guessing $5k-$8k to start and $35k once it's all said and done.

Why can't it be replaced, it's a pistol which aren't banned? Not that it shouldn't be returned with what you've told us, just wondering of I'm missing something.

Hope you are feeling better and get your firearm back without too much hassle.

AR15's chambered in .223/5.56 were included in the Maryland Assault Weapons Ban in 2013. Because of that you can no longer purchase AR15's or AR15 clones within the state, with the one exception being AR15's which have a bull barrel.

My understanding is that this basically means AR15's that use either .223 or 5.56 (either in rifle or pistol configuration) are no longer legal to manufacture, sell, or transfer within the state of MD.
So only the ones which were purchased and registered before October 1, 2013 are in private hands any more.

As far as AR15 pistols go, since MD uses an "approved handgun list", only those handguns specifically named on the list can be purchased within the state... And as far as I know only a handful of AR15 pistols are on the list.

You can still purchase a Sig556 as a pistol or rifle as the Sig556 was not included in the Assault Weapons Ban, and since it does not have parts commonality with an AR15 it is not considered an AR15 clone of any sort.
I believe this also means that AR15's which use other calibers such as 9mm are still legal for sale within the state because they do not use standard AR15 parts.

It's complicated (overly so).
Long story short: You can no longer purchase an AR15 chambered in 5.56 with a govt. profile bbl in the state of MD. Not legally.

 

[lennyk]

AR Pistols and HBAR's are perfectly legal. Heck, you can even purchase an AK pistol if you wanted to.

 

[rbird7282]

You can build AR15 pistols on stripped lowers all day long. Not banned and they don't need to be on the approved handgun list if you are building it for yourself.
It should be easily replaceable. Having said that, I would hire a lawyer and be on BCPD like stink on sh*t. Hope it works out.


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[DaedalEVE]

How did pistol come up in the first place? I doubt many people can tell the difference between a 14.5 and 16 by just looking at it.

What was their justification for taking it? Was it related to being a pistol or did they think you couldn't have an AR?

They saw it and said "what is this?". You're correct though, it takes a trained eye to instantly spot the difference between a 14.5" and 16" barrel. I don't think they had any idea what the length was (even though it was stamped into the bbl).
The one officer simply kept going on about the receiver extension.
I told him to charge me with something, but that never happened.

The second they saw it they flipped out. They flipped out over the fact it was loaded. Even made a lot of noise about how there was a round in the chamber.
It's enough to make you think that BCPD walks around with empty and unloaded sidearms, the way they freak out any time they see one that's hot.

 

[DaedalEVE]

You can build AR15 pistols on stripped lowers all day long. Not banned and they don't need to be on the approved handgun list if you are building it for yourself.
It should be easily replaceable. Having said that, I would hire a lawyer and be on BCPD like stink on sh*t. Hope it works out.


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Oh I thought you couldn't get stripped lowers in MD any longer.

 

[Rich1911]

Just curious why the police were there in the first place? Did the emt's ask for them because they saw the gun?

 

[Sundazes]

Stop posting and retain counsel.
There are a couple of EXCELLENT 2A attorneys in the IP section.

 

[DaedalEVE]

People probably think I am a paid shill for CharlieFoxtrot at this point but he managed to recover a machine gun from BCPD on my behalf. Should you choose to go with him, you'll be in good hands.

I personally didn't have any guns taken by BCPD but I was involved with getting the aforementioned machine gun back from them that I had purchased.

No no, that's great to hear. In fact I've already been by his site and sent off a message.

 

[Engine4]

PD is typically dispatched on heart attack calls, though not all the time. The call might turn into a cardiac arrest, the neighborhood might be sketchy, etc.

 

[SummitCnty]

We never had the PD run with us on any calls including ALS unless it was requested, a attempted suicide, or domestic. This was 15 years ago in Western MD so I don't know if the area has something to do with it or times have changed.

 

[weeman]

Police are typically not 1st responders for a medical emergency (unless threat to self). A 911 call for chest pain does not summon the police. If medics are not available then the fire department responds. This is very unusual. Why were the police summoned by the dispatcher? I don't even think they carry AED as standard.

There are many reasons for police to be dispatched. Non of which have to do with firearms. However they were out of line once they got there. BCoPD is good for this, they confiscated a shotgun from me in 2003 with no charges. I eventually got it back and there was no reason for them to take it, or be in my house anyway.

 

[lennyk]

PD is typically dispatched on heart attack calls, though not all the time. The call might turn into a cardiac arrest, the neighborhood might be sketchy, etc.

Outside of medic safety, I'm curious as to why. As I recall, PD just has very basic BLS training. What would they do if there's an active MI infront of them? Nitro, aspirin? AED? If it's just to have a body on the scene? Not sure about this. Regardless, I hope the OP has a successful outcome and is well.