Mr H
Banana'd
We're waiting to see what changes may come down in the next couple months.
"Too much is better than too little."
did anyone else see that on MSP website under the "who should apply" section pertaining to documentation? is this telling the prisoners I mean citizens of MD that its decided upon who gets their CCW permit based upon how much documentation they have? wow, stay classy MSP.
Thanks for the wake up call to reality;
https://www.mdsp.org/Organization/SupportServicesBureau/LicensingDivision/MainLicensingPage/LicensingandRegistration/Firearms/WearandCarryPermit.aspx
Be sure to go to the bottom and read; Cases Referencing Good and Substantial Reason
Wow, read the two denials. I can't come anywhere close to the reasons they gave, and they were denied. Put a fork in it for me, in Merryland.
Once we assemble the final group of permit submitters can we review the application process and the specific verbiage we use to ensure we are doing this in a fashion where the scrutiny we get will be the best possible permit request that can be submitted and potential class action lawsuit package thereafter if MSP does what some think they may do. United we stand, divided we fall.
Absolutely. After my class this Saturday, I'll post a main update on here and PM everyone who has indicated interest, and we can then mainly focus this thread on the most appropriate language and whatnot; that said, in the end it's simply seeing whether self-defense qualifies as G&S, so there really shouldn't be much to it.
As for demographics, I haven't the slight idea where we would be able to access that, short of asking anyone here who has a permit; the only significant item I would know of is that the majority *appear* to be business owners or something similar regarding transport of money.
Isn't self defense the operative reason you get approved or denied? It's not that self defense in not G&S reason at all now, it is the state deciding if you are in situation that requires a gun for self defense. From reading the cases, that is what I come away with. If SB100 had passed, you don't think they still could of danced around that? One applies and puts "self defense" , OK show me why? Isn't the intuitive reason any law abiding person carry a gun is for self defense? I'm not a lawyer, but changing words in laws is not always the magic one assumes.
I read that training is required before one applies. then find this;
All other applicants must shoot a course of at least 25 rounds, from no further than 15 yards and score at least 70% accuracy
That is not too granular an explanation. Can someone comment what it means? Hits on target how big? Location of hits requirement?
Now I find under training exemptions;
(5) You have successfully completed a firearms training course given by a Qualified Handgun Instructor. (The on-line firearm safety course is no longer accepted).
OK, the guy I used is on the list, would 8 hours personal defense qualify?
The answer to your question will not be found in the law, COMAR, or the MSP web site. The course of fire is laid out in a directive that went out only to qualified instructors.
Here it is. The part that pertains to us little people starts 1/2 way down page #3.
And NO, 8hrs does not equal the 16 hours that are required by law. Simple math.
The course of fire is ridiculously easy. I scored 125/125 or 100% using an XDS .45 with a 3.3" barrel.
On the business/money issue. A prior instructor I used has a "restricted" permit that says "while carrying business currency." He carries a blank business check in his wallet 24/7.
Why do people still come up with this need to carry money stuff? The permit is based on DEPOSIT history or proof that you have an active business account, not proof that you are carrying money. If you don't want a permit, by all means , don't apply. There was one member here who in 2013 was issued a permit even though he made it clear that his business was internet based and all transaction where made by credit cards. Yes, ordinary people do carry money. That money has already been taxed and they are carrying the portion that the government had allowed them to keep. The deposits of a business needs to make it to the bank safely so that the government can get their share.
P.S. it doesn't matter if you've got 1,000 hrs of training, if it wasn't given by a qualified instructor it doesn't count for chit.