Petition for Concealed Carry for Veterans

[Blaster229]

Good point.

I only say it this way because I've dealt with certain professions who need to cross train to be armed and heard many times " but I used to carry a .45 when I flew choppers in Vietnam". Different dynamic I know, but same attitude I see portrayed in conversations.

If I didn't have my current career, my two swat schools back in the 90's are not relevant today.

 

[Schipperke]

Most of what is necessary for a CC Permit lies in your head about when to use it, if necessary. I don't believe that is such a burden to learn for the average responsible adult regardless of LEO or military training. I have no problem with the former being excused from training, they have allegedly already been schooled. Someone without having served in either capacity, to think they can't be sufficiently trained in a very short time for what is required to carry for an attempt to defend oneself if necessary is fairly condescending from a few anointed ones.

Handling a firearm with the same proficiency as a combat soldier, secret service agent etc. is analogous to making everyone test in a semi with tandem trailers in order to drive a Honda Civic, or every pilot to manage an Airbus to fly an Eurcoupe.

For self defense, I'd imagine most use of a handgun is close and personal, not a 200 yard fire fight.

 

[AssMan]

I wish you luck, but can't sign that petition. 2A either applies to all Americans or none.

 

[NormH3]

I wish you luck, but can't sign that petition. 2A either applies to all Americans or none.

This is my response.

 

[ericahls]

Either ALL law abiding citizens or none. No special class of people.

I have a carry permit just because I am a business owner. How ridiculous is that!

I know for a fact that there are more honest, hardworking and law abiding citizens then me and they can't get a permit in this state.

I spoke in Annapolis on this very topic.

I can't support anything that separates citizens into special classes when it comes to FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS!!!!

 

[jaybee]

No special class of people.

but doing it by county would be a good idea

they do it now with tasers, other weapons and hunting

what's good in balmore sity is not good in worchester county etc.

IMHO

 

[15carbine15]

How about veterans..........and everyone else.

I agree.

 

[15carbine15]

I am a veteran, and I want no "right" that my fellow citizens cannot also enjoy. So respectfully, I cannot support this proposal. I don't want to be an "only one" - the only ones permitted a right, based on attachment to government service.

I am not questioning your motives or your desire to do the right thing. I think we all want to support veterans. But I didn't swear to uphold a Constitution just so some of its most fundamental rights would only apply to me, but not my neighbor.

Thanks for hearing me out, and thanks for the thought.

Spoken like a true soldier!

 

[BlackBart]

How relevant is someone's training if the last time they picked up a pistol was in 'Nam?

I dunno, how relevant is an armed stewardess that's probably never had cause?

 

[Straightshooter]

How relevant is someone's training if the last time they picked up a pistol was in 'Nam?

I haven't ridden a bicycle since then either but I bet I can do it now without retraining. These safety courses are like watching reruns of Gilligan's Island. After attending one you just know the gorilla is going to grab Mrs Howell. Sorry, meant to say you know the guy is going to stalk the woman in the parking garage.

 

[rambling_one]

While I would have loved to have been in the Doctors or Lawyers class or even the Business Owners Class, I had to apply under the Assaulted, Injured, and Threatened class. The one perc to this class is, no restrictions.

Sorry to hear of your situation; happy to hear MSP recognized your right of self defense; hoping the establishment doesn't pull a Woollard on you at some point.

Of all the "special classes," this one IMHO is the most relevant.

 

[rambling_one]

No one should have restrictions, it's silly to think a person who passes all the hurdles of training, background investigation, licensing, certification, getting a permit, et al; but then can only carry to and from or only while engaged in whatever activity they listed. These restrictions are ridiculous.

I've known retired police officers that got a hard time getting a permit in the past. Some were told, you've been retired too long, no threat to you, or your agency is too small or out of state.

Even if you get a permit for legitimate 'threats', they could not reapprove you next time. This is what happened to instigate one of the lawsuits (see Wollard case). We all need to fight together so some state trooper who is allowed to carry a gun, sitting at a desk acting under political pressure to be overly restrictive on who gets a permit, decides if you have a "good and substantial" enough reason to be allowed to protect yourself or others. This is capricious, clearly wrong and must change.

One of my friends is a former police officer. He sweats bullets every time his unrestricted permit is up for renewal. Multiple threats against himself and family, but no attack...yet. The BGs have long been released.

 

[Minuteman]

I wish you luck, but can't sign that petition. 2A either applies to all Americans or none.

Geez... LOL

Just when I thought I was done with this thread.

So, let me ask, 'all Americans or none', huh.

Do Americans in prison, should they get permits?

How about those formerly incarcerated murders or rapist, or the mentally ill, are they part of the 'all or none'?

Maybe the wife beaters and thugs that just did a few years for violent crimes, are they ok now?

Would you let this guy have a gun permit? Or would you prefer a carry permit to protect yourself from someone like this?

My point is that there is a line, there should be a line, there is no state that allows 'all Americans' a carry permit. What we are discussing is where should the line be drawn. I'm saying the line in Maryland is drawn a bit too high. That's really it. So I'm suggesting that if a few more folks try to lower it to be able to carry, then we should support them.

There will never be an 'all or none', so lets levitate this discussion to helping others achieve what some already have and work together to arrive at a compromise that allows most all law-abiding citizens to be able to carry.

Thanks for the calls and to those of you that do get it, so far 100% that have called me about this matter.

 

[15carbine15]

Geez... LOL

Just when I thought I was done with this thread.

So, let me ask, 'all Americans or none', huh.

Do Americans in prison, should they get permits?

How about those formerly incarcerated murders or rapist, are they part of the 'all or none'?

Maybe the wife beaters and thugs that just did a few years for violent crimes, are they ok now?

Switching gears, would you let this guy have a gun permit? Or would you prefer a carry permit to protect yourself from someone like this?

My point is that there is a line, there should be a line, there is no state that allows 'all Americans' a carry permit. What we are discussing is where should the line be drawn. I'm saying the line in Maryland is drawn a bit too high. That's really it. So I'm suggesting that if a few more folks try to lower it to be able to carry, then we should support them.

There will never be an 'all or none', so lets levitate this discussion to helping others achieve what some already have and work together to arrive at a compromise that allows most all law-abiding citizens to be able to carry.

Thanks for the calls and to those of you that do get it.

I think you really know what he meant bro, unless you just enjoy taking post out of context. You are smarter than that I hope, there's noway he meant every single person in the country should be able to carry. He's clearly refering to all law abiding citizens. Not mentally Ill and thugs.

 

[AssMan]

Geez... LOL

Just when I thought I was done with this thread.

So, let me ask, 'all Americans or none', huh.

Do Americans in prison, should they get permits?

How about those formerly incarcerated murders or rapist, are they part of the 'all or none'?

Maybe the wife beaters and thugs that just did a few years for violent crimes, are they ok now?

Switching gears, would you let this guy have a gun permit? Or would you want a carry permit to protect yourself from someone like this?

My point is that there is a line, there should be a line, there is no state that allows 'all Americans' a carry permit. What we are discussing is where should the line be drawn. I'm saying the line in Maryland is drawn a bit too high. That's really it. So I'm suggesting that if a few more folks try to lower it to be able to carry, then we should support them.

There will never be an 'all or none', so lets levitate this discussion to helping others achieve what some already have and work together to arrive at a compromise that allows most all law-abiding citizens to be able to carry.

Thanks for the calls and to those of you that do get it.

Didn't feel like I needed to nor did I have the time to write a treatise, and don't care to now either. You know exactly what I mean. Thanks for your service, enjoy your discounts, but you're not a protected or elite class of American that's more deserving of the right to protect hearth, home or person. Obvious exceptions noted. Just my opinion. And as I stated previously, I wish you the best of luck with the petition, it's just not for me.

 

[Blaster229]

I dunno, how relevant is an armed stewardess that's probably never had cause?

Someone who would say this, last picked up a .45 around 1968 "with cause". Whatever that means.

 

[rambling_one]

How relevant is someone's training if the last time they picked up a pistol was in 'Nam?

It's kinda like riding a bicycle or swimming. One doesn't forget which end of the barrel a round comes out of, or how to handle the firearm safely. I was, among other things, an armed courier in the Navy. I knew/know the .45 pretty well. We put thousands of rounds down range annually - ammo was free.

 

[Minuteman]

I think you missed my point, where do you draw the line?

 

[IGOR455]

well i am a veteran drove uh1 s and loaches among other things. had 3 permits didnt need them but i was told that was the easiest and it was. carryall the time and the fed govt said i was special so who am i to argue with them. i qualled on 10/08 so i am good for a year. hey i think all should have a shot at permits and vets shooulod also.
i think that good and substantial should be changed. hhint hint gov elect
oh yeah 40 yrs policing allow me to be armed. hell last summer a guy i arrested in 1995 for dwi said he was going to kick my ass. 1995 give me a break. well what he didnt know there were 4 other police within the sound of my voice.
yeah im not special but i am qualled with both semi autos and revolvers for another year and still qualled expert, not bad for a old guy

 

[Gryphon]

I think you really know what he meant bro, unless you just enjoy taking post out of context. You are smarter than that I hope, there's noway he meant every single person in the country should be able to carry. He's clearly refering to all law abiding citizens. Not mentally Ill and thugs.

Minuteman, you are a good guy and entitled to your opinion - and so is everyone else -that's what makes it a discussion.