Gun search question at traffic stop based on NRA sticker

[moojersey]

Good thread, nice and civil. I'm sorry, but whether LEO's will admit to it or not profiling is common practice. Kudos to the LEO's in this thread who really don't practice profiling.

 

[teratos]

Good thread, nice and civil. I'm sorry, but whether LEO's will admit to it or not profiling is common practice. Kudos to the LEO's in this thread who really don't practice profiling.

Profiling should be practiced. While not everyone who fits a certain profile will be who you think they are, clues should not be ignored. I would say that in general people with NRA stickers on their cars own guns and generally respect the gun laws. Criminals most likely don't have NRA or Gadsden stickers. Profile wisely.

I have a good friend who is Iranian. Looks VERY middle-eastern. He gets so annoyed because he never gets searched at the airport. He doesn't feel safe. His argument is a good one. The guy who will blow up the plane looks like him. Why are they searching the red-headed teenager?

 

[teratos]

Something else to consider, and I know that it isn't right but it is what it is, is whether or not you physically appear to be the redneck gun owner stereotype.

Take my son for example. These days he's cultivating this counter-culture image - big bushy beard, big tat on his forearm (I didn't really approve of the placement of that one, but it's his body, right?) and he clothes himself in Vans shoes, jeans, t-shirts and plaid flannel button-downs.

I see it all the time when we are in social settings with people who don't know him well. They assume certain attitudes and behaviors of him, simply based on his appearance, when in fact he isn't anything like what people expect him to be. He's intelligent, exceedingly polite, and is a very friendly amicable person.

When he loses the beard and dresses differently, he almost has movie star good looks, but the truth of it is, you get pre-judged based on how you look. I want him to be himself, but man, I wish he'd lose the Duck Dynasty look because his interactions with people would be a lot different. I shudder to think what it might go like if he's ever pulled over because the officer is going to assume he's a punk with an attitude.

My appearance, on the other hand, is nothing like that. I've been clean cut and clean shaven since I joined (and subsequently left in 1999) the Army in 1989, so any time I've been pulled over, my experience has never been negative.

If it makes you feel better, when I was a teen I had a big orange mohawk.

 

[Inigoes]

If it makes you feel better, when I was a teen I had a big orange mohawk.

 

[swinokur]

If it makes you feel better, when I was a teen I had a big orange mohawk.

And it too was perfect..


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[teratos]

I will have to find one. My mother wasn't happy with my choice in hairstyles or the ear piercings at the time. I don't think she kept any of the pictures.

And it too was perfect..


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[rdc]

A young Dr Teratos?

 

[swinokur]

I would have figured him more as the Ferris Bueller type
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[Corporal Doug]

Good thread, nice and civil. I'm sorry, but whether LEO's will admit to it or not profiling is common practice. Kudos to the LEO's in this thread who really don't practice profiling.

There is a difference between profiling which includes detaining people who fit a "profile" solely and assuming that they are involved in criminal activity, and finding RAS from a person based on several indicators which includes but not limited to appearance, demeanor, fidgeting, nervousness, sweating, visible pulse, darting eyes, looking for an escape route, changing story, time of day and location, etc etc. That's how you build your suspicion based on those and thousands of other indicators, not one singular profile such as race our affiliation alone.

 

[Pale Ryder]

Was on ICC.

Well, there you are.

 

[teratos]

I would have figured him more as the Ferris Bueller type
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I know. The punk phase lasted a couple of years. Met some great people in that time.

 

[TheGunnyRet]

I never hear of anyone with a NAACP, Obama, PETA, PINK, Witless on Wall Street etc... Stickers on their car get pulled over? Whats up with that...?

 

[platoonDaddy]

Calling the K-9 after you answered 'no' to a search seems like an old trick to bypass the lack of consent and create a probable cause that legally did not exist. A friend allerted me to this trick more than a decade ago after he was victim of it in another state. And they make you wait all the time in the world for the k-9 to further haras you. I would assume some lower courts would have ruled against this already. Maybe a lawyer here might know.

I thought there is a time limit of 25-30 minutes you are required to wait for a K-9 unit. If it isn't there within that time, you can pop-smoke.

Is that a internet rumor or valid?

 

[Name Taken]

I thought there is a time limit of 25-30 minutes you are required to wait for a K-9 unit. If it isn't there within that time, you can pop-smoke.

Is that a internet rumor or valid?

There are variables.

In some cases a 20 minute stop is going to be to long...in other cases the 30 minutes might be accepted by the courts. There is case law supporting at least a 40 minute detention since the K9 was delayed at no fault of the officers.

The general court ruling is without probable cause or reasonable suspicion the K9 unit must arrive before the stop is ended for whatever you were stopped for.

Blanket statements don't work nor would I recommend you setting your stop watch and at 25:01 start driving away.

 

[Blaster229]

I thought there is a time limit of 25-30 minutes you are required to wait for a K-9 unit. If it isn't there within that time, you can pop-smoke.

Is that a internet rumor or valid?

You have your id and registration back. You aren't detained. Lock your door and walk away.

 

[goose poop]

HQL I don't know.

They should not have a list of people with regulated firearms, but we all know they do.

It is called MGUNS, state police resource for gun questions, had my name run and it list all my regulated firearms. Rockville MSP barracks, go in front door, look behind the glass to the right and there is a big poster that says MGUNS, got a stop, got a question, call mguns-or something to that affect. Guaranteed MSP is now running anyone they suspect of owning firearms whether it is a sticker or your admission, or in my case a a gun case in the rear seat through MGUNS as SOP hoping they can get a confiscation.

Question know is if it is tied into the License Plate Reader database??????

 

[Tebonski]

How about don't speed and don't put any stickers on your vehicle unless it's a parking permit? Why invite scrutiny? Why? Because you have a right to? Of course you have a right to put a half dozen NRA and hunting and protected by such and such firearm etc but is it smart living in this commie state?

 

[JohnnyE]

Doesn't hurt to keep the car clean of any clues since the GOA or NRA or whatever firearms sticker on the car, when it is parked in front of your house, is advertising "guns in here." I don't want scumbags casing the neighborhood considering my place to be a good target.

 

[HazyDayz]

Doesn't hurt to keep the car clean of any clues since the GOA or NRA or whatever firearms sticker on the car, when it is parked in front of your house, is advertising "guns in here." I don't want scumbags casing the neighborhood considering my place to be a good target.

Good thinking. I only put generic stickers on my cars- 'wag more, bark less', goat stroke, hyrule crest, etc. I avoid the apple stickers or anything that advertises a specific brand or item. Too obvious of a mark.

 

[Fishguy]

You have your id and registration back. You aren't detained. Lock your door and walk away.

Out of curiosity, why not drive away?

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