Savage cancels 300BLK loading due to poor accuracy

[atblis]

Grasping? No...hunting with firearms is fine with me...but using subsonics and a such to take multiple members of a herd in such a manner is just crap...

In many places, deer are vermin. I suspect what he was talking about was basically pest control.

 

[DarthZed]

My brother has hit three of the bastards on Poorhouse Rd. in the past five years. He'd be happy with anything that would thin them out a little bit.

Far too many bad deer experiences...bastards.

I understand Nemsis' reasoning, but I have to agree that there are soooo many d@#n deer around here; anyone who intends to thin the herd is more than welcome to.

I don't shoot either of the rounds in question, so I don't feel my opinion is either adequately informed or experienced enough to be relevent to the discussion. However, I do find it interesting that so many people who decry the AK47 round for its inaccuracy and bullet drop; have no problem justifying those same problems in an AR specific round. (Not necessarily on this board, but on internet gun forums in general)

 

[jrumann59]

I understand Nemsis' reasoning, but I have to agree that there are soooo many d@#n deer around here; anyone who intends to thin the herd is more than welcome to.

I don't shoot either of the rounds in question, so I don't feel my opinion is either adequately informed or experienced enough to be relevent to the discussion. However, I do find it interesting that so many people who decry the AK47 round for its inaccuracy and bullet drop; have no problem justifying those same problems in an AR specific round. (Not necessarily on this board, but on internet gun forums in general)

No problem with the round I just find the russian guns that use them not sexy.

 

[goneshootin88]

Grasping? No...hunting with firearms is fine with me...but using subsonics and a such to take multiple members of a herd in such a manner is just crap...

I guess you don't know anyone who lives in areas of the country with hog problems. Hogs have caused my cousin tens of thousands of dollars in property damage on his ranch. The more that can be killed the better.

 

[Nemesis]

I dont like deer very much myself...6 months after getting my brand new car i tagged one...i still dont think its right however to use suppressed/ subsonic rifles to take down half a herd...i dont know, maybe i just have more respect for life than you...killing them is fine, hell i want to go hunting myself...but basiclly slaughtering them...theres no reason for it.

 

[quad]

I'd like to hunt where you fella's are hunting. Its getting harder to even find a doe around here, let alone a buck. Years ago, it wasnt o bad. Sounds like you fella's have so many deer, they are damn near chewing the siding off of houses lol To be honest, there aint even many laying on the roadside these days. Seems everyone tags on with a vehicle eventually. I havent yet, and dont care to. Here is the results of one the ol lady tagged on her way to work one sunday morning. She said it was a huge buck. I believe her, as my buddy said there was a monster running in that area.

 

[Russ D]

I dont like deer very much myself...6 months after getting my brand new car i tagged one...i still dont think its right however to use suppressed/ subsonic rifles to take down half a herd...i dont know, maybe i just have more respect for life than you...killing them is fine, hell i want to go hunting myself...but basiclly slaughtering them...theres no reason for it.

Yeah farmers with serious crop damage have no respect for life. They only feed the world.

 

[gmhowell]

I'd like to hunt where you fella's are hunting. Its getting harder to even find a doe around here, let alone a buck. Years ago, it wasnt o bad. Sounds like you fella's have so many deer, they are damn near chewing the siding off of houses lol To be honest, there aint even many laying on the roadside these days. Seems everyone tags on with a vehicle eventually. I havent yet, and dont care to. Here is the results of one the ol lady tagged on her way to work one sunday morning. She said it was a huge buck. I believe her, as my buddy said there was a monster running in that area.

Get thee to Southern Maryland for the hordes of car killing deer.

On the upside, at least it looks like that deer only destroyed a Chrysler.

 

[DarthZed]

No problem with the round I just find the russian guns that use them not sexy.

I rather like the utilitarion look of Com Bloc guns. But I freely admit that the 60+ year old AK design has significant ergonomic deficiencies compared to more modern designs.

 

[DarthZed]

I dont like deer very much myself...6 months after getting my brand new car i tagged one...i still dont think its right however to use suppressed/ subsonic rifles to take down half a herd...i dont know, maybe i just have more respect for life than you...killing them is fine, hell i want to go hunting myself...but basiclly slaughtering them...theres no reason for it.

You are only allowed to take so many deer in a season, so few people would use a surpressed rifle to "take down half a herd". Aside from being illegal, deer spook easily, and would probably bolt when the first one dropped; regardless of whether they hear a shot or not.

The problem is that we've eliminated all the predators that would normally have kept the deer population in check. And since few people hunt anymore, even the normal human hunting activities don't really keep the population in check.The government often sanctions (what are basically) culling activities to maintain sustainable population levels; otherwise the deer will eat/reproduce themselves into starvation. These boom/bust cycles have happened many times before, and they are not pretty. FWIW, I don't hunt myself, but many of my uncles do.

 

[hvymax]

Gotta respect Savage for not releasing a substandard product. For the SO MD deer issue any semi shotgun loaded to legal capacity should be more than capable of multiples. Crap my Resident Goose setup is my Mossberg 935 with the 10rnd extension.

 

[clandestine]

There are some dense people in this thread.

You geniuses do realize that Crossbows are legal to take large game right? Should that be stopped?

A few peoples ignorance for hunting and human/animal dependency and sustainable animal population in general is showing. Crop Damage Permits allow a Farmer to destroy pretty much anything not endangered that is harming their crop. Its for the benefit of HUMANS and DOMESTICATED PETS because WE have a dependency on that crop to survive.

Perhaps these idiots are like the Hippie Organic people, they want everything to be organic beacuse its "Healthier", well when you do things the Hippie way the crop output is decreased because of Pests and Varmits, thus output is decreased, and prices/demand increase.

Deer Saturated areas also spread disease among themselves and cause natural food shortages that leads to starvation. Thinning the herds is a HUMANE and ETHICAL thing to do instead of letting them die of starvation and disease.

A .300 BLK moving subsonic speeds most certainly has more FT Pounds of Energy than a Crossbow Bolt at equal distances. .300 Likely beats out a some Compound Bow Arrows at equal ranges.

 

[hvymax]

Of course this is all moot in most of MD because you can't use centerfire rifles for deer anyway. Maybe we could get some of those Red Jacket shotgun supressors. Besides there is no supressor so effective that deer will not hear it and the reverbrations from a full report would probably be more confusing momentarily anyway.

 

[sailskidrive]

Deer always seem to thrive on the fringe of suburbia. Lots of corn fields coupled with diminished hunting is like Utopia for a herd.

I guess I don't understand why someone would choose 300AAC over a traditional 30-30, 270, 30'06, or 308 for deer. It doesn't offer any advantage.

 

[Kingjamez]

Of course this is all moot in most of MD because you can't use centerfire rifles for deer anyway. Maybe we could get some of those Red Jacket shotgun supressors. Besides there is no supressor so effective that deer will not hear it and the reverbrations from a full report would probably be more confusing momentarily anyway.

Not that this has anything to do with this thread... but why stop now? :-)

Have you heard a .300BLK suppressed? It's shockingly, hollywood-esk quiet with the right suppressor.

 

[BradMacc82]

Not that this has anything to do with this thread... but why stop now? :-)

Have you heard a .300BLK suppressed? It's shockingly, hollywood-esk quiet with the right suppressor.

Yes, it is stupifyingly quiet with the right can, thank YouTube for those videos.

 

[Kingjamez]

I guess I don't understand why someone would choose 300AAC over a traditional 30-30, 270, 30'06, or 308 for deer. It doesn't offer any advantage.

Yes it does: It fits in an AR-Magazine/Well/Bolt.
Of course compared to most of those above rounds, you will loose maximum kill range if you are a good enough shot.

 

[JoeBobOutfitters.com]

Just an FYI, lots of states, Kansas included, it's legal to hunt with SUPPRESSED centerfire rifles even for big-game. Regardless if you have a crop damage permit or not, you can still shoot deer with a can if you have one.

 

[BradMacc82]

I guess I don't understand why someone would choose 300AAC over a traditional 30-30, 270, 30'06, or 308 for deer. It doesn't offer any advantage.

I can think of a few - Quicker follow-up shot, if needed. The platform it's in (assuming it's AR-based) - the sheer versatility of the AR platform in regards to optics. The weight, my 30-30 I can carry all day, provided I don't take much ammo with me, if I can have equivalent power but in a lighter package, I'll take it.

 

[chris12138]

There are some dense people in this thread.

You geniuses do realize that Crossbows are legal to take large game right? Should that be stopped?

A few peoples ignorance for hunting and human/animal dependency and sustainable animal population in general is showing. Crop Damage Permits allow a Farmer to destroy pretty much anything not endangered that is harming their crop. Its for the benefit of HUMANS and DOMESTICATED PETS because WE have a dependency on that crop to survive.

Perhaps these idiots are like the Hippie Organic people, they want everything to be organic beacuse its "Healthier", well when you do things the Hippie way the crop output is decreased because of Pests and Varmits, thus output is decreased, and prices/demand increase.

Deer Saturated areas also spread disease among themselves and cause natural food shortages that leads to starvation. Thinning the herds is a HUMANE and ETHICAL thing to do instead of letting them die of starvation and disease.

A .300 BLK moving subsonic speeds most certainly has more FT Pounds of Energy than a Crossbow Bolt at equal distances. .300 Likely beats out a some Compound Bow Arrows at equal ranges.

Heck more like 5-10x the ft-lbs lol. Medium sized game only requires 25-45ish ft-lbs of energy to make a good compound bow kill. Your average bow with a 400gr arrow is only going about 250-350 fps and producing 55-65 ish ft-lbs of energy.

A subsonic .300 AAC has what? About 500 ft-lbs of energy? lol


Now the wound profile of a .300BLK vs. a broadhead idk. Do they even have .300blk HP's yet? I'm pretty sure a well placed .300BLK at 50yrds is more than capable of smashing through to the heart as opposed to a broadhead which is usually safer to go after a double lung shot.