Savage cancels 300BLK loading due to poor accuracy

[BenL]

Too bad they didn't take that same hard-line stance on accuracy when they built my POS .17HMR.

For the record, I had decent accuracy with my CMMG 300BLK, and hope to have good accuracy from my Noveske Blackout build when my barrel shows up and Chad builds it.

 

[clandestine]

Too bad they didn't take that same hard-line stance on accuracy when they built my POS .17HMR.

For the record, I had decent accuracy with my CMMG 300BLK, and hope to have good accuracy from my Noveske Blackout build when my barrel shows up and Chad builds it.

I have yet to hear anyone complain about a .300 BLK Noveske barrel that I have setup, and I know the people shooting the units that I have setup are shooting factory sub and full loads.

 

[clandestine]

I think the factory supersonics have very good reported accuracy from factory ammo. I cannot comment on the subs though. I believe Savage created this issue just for the attention to take a shot at AAC.

I dont keep up with any beefs between the Remington/AAC Umbrella and Savage but its not unreasonable to think this is a possibility.

 

[HT4]

For what it is worth, there may be something to this... I have always wondered about the external ballistics of a bullet that is designed to be fired and to impact the target at transonic velocities. For an explanation, see below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_ballistics#The_transonic_problem

That said, I'm waiting on approval for a SBR lower that will be 300BLK.

 

[r3t1awr3yd]

For what it is worth, there may be something to this... I have always wondered about the external ballistics of a bullet that is designed to be fired and to impact the target at transonic velocities. For an explanation, see below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_ballistics#The_transonic_problem

That said, I'm waiting on approval for a SBR lower that will be 300BLK.

DUDE!!!

Look at the drag coefficient change at .8-1.2 mach!? The "Transonic" problem. I guess breaking the sound barrier is violent enough to really screw ballistics. That chart is REALLY eye opening.

Thanks for the good read!

It's amazing how the bullet goes from slicker than any car we have to a bigger burden on the air than a toyota corolla lol.

 

[sailskidrive]

That's why they coined the term "Sound Barrier"!

That "wall" on the graph is where Chuck Yeager could have disintegrated into 479 chicken nugget sized pieces.

 

[midcountyg]

I find it had to believe that subsonics in this case size are that hard to get to shoot well. When I hear of the .300BLK, but it seems most folks are shooting them at very close range with carbines, so absolute accuracy may be difficult to gage. I'd wonder what twist they are using in the Salvage.

My barrels are 1 in 8" and have been tested past 200 yds. Sub MOA at 100yds is like taking candy from a baby, and past that 1 MOA, give or take a little, is typical. The low velocity really makes velocity spread critical, and the extended range exaggerates that even more. I have shot Lord knows how many rounds of this caliber(300-221) before AAC turned it in to a marketing fad, and very few loads were over 1 MOA at 100yds. So, no it is not hard to make these subsonics fly accurately. Why the factory ammo sucks so much is beyond me. And just so nobody says it's because they load on production machines, mine are all loaded on a piece of junk Lee Loadmaster. Powder is dropped from an autodisc measurer, and I do not weigh any loads once it is set up and ready to go. Even with this past weekends wind, I was able to shoot sub MOA at 100 yds with my ammo sighting in a rifle built for a customer. My conclusion, Remington is trying to do what they do best. Cut corners to make more profit on the ammunition. The result is crap accuracy from a cartridge that doesn't leave room to cut corners on components.

 

[Russ D]

My barrels are 1 in 8" and have been tested past 200 yds. Sub MOA at 100yds is like taking candy from a baby, and past that 1 MOA, give or take a little, is typical. The low velocity really makes velocity spread critical, and the extended range exaggerates that even more. I have shot Lord knows how many rounds of this caliber(300-221) before AAC turned it in to a marketing fad, and very few loads were over 1 MOA at 100yds. So, no it is not hard to make these subsonics fly accurately. Why the factory ammo sucks so much is beyond me. And just so nobody says it's because they load on production machines, mine are all loaded on a piece of junk Lee Loadmaster. Powder is dropped from an autodisc measurer, and I do not weigh any loads once it is set up and ready to go. Even with this past weekends wind, I was able to shoot sub MOA at 100 yds with my ammo sighting in a rifle built for a customer. My conclusion, Remington is trying to do what they do best. Cut corners to make more profit on the ammunition. The result is crap accuracy from a cartridge that doesn't leave room to cut corners on components.

No one who knows anything about ammo uses Remington factory loads to test accuracy.

 

[midcountyg]

No one who knows anything about ammo uses Remington factory loads to test accuracy.

Very true. I don't even sell Remington ammo at all. Their quality control has really suffered over the years.

 

[atblis]

There was a very very similar thread to this one on IIRC thehighroad.org. Rsilvers chimed in with a plausible reason as to why Savage was never able to get decent accuracy. It was something to the effect of Savage insisting on using too long of barrels, and thus having issues with the subsonic loads not being so subsonic.

 

[WSM]

Savage has built their reputation on "out of the box shooters". They're not going to compromise their reputation for one niche cartridge. I can see why they made that decision. The way word gets around on the internet these days Savage didn't want to have a turd on their hands and a PR nightmare.

 

[quad]

Whats all the hype with the 300 blk...seriously? Seems rather slow and weak to me. I don't know much about it, but from what I see, I don't find it too useful. I think I might as well hunt deer by throwing a baseball. I'd rather use a 30-30.

*edit*

Not trying to stir an argument, just curious as to why it seems to be so popular.

 

[Nemesis]

lol. Savage WIN.

I hate alternative calibers.

i have to completely agree with you on this.

Whats all the hype with the 300 blk...seriously? Seems rather slow and weak to me. I don't know much about it, but from what I see, I don't find it too useful. I think I might as well hunt deer by throwing a baseball. I'd rather use a 30-30.

*edit*

Not trying to stir an argument, just curious as to why it seems to be so popular.

as far as i can tell...its a bit of hypocrisy at work. for the longest time the 7.62x39 has been down talked by the proponents of 5.56...now a round comes out that copies 7.62 and its a smash hit...maybe it was jealously before that lead to the hate? or maybe envy would be a better term...either way, the whole thing is moronic to me...

 

[Russ D]

i have to completely agree with you on this.



as far as i can tell...its a bit of hypocrisy at work. for the longest time the 7.62x39 has been down talked by the proponents of 5.56...now a round comes out that copies 7.62 and its a smash hit...maybe it was jealously before that lead to the hate? or maybe envy would be a better term...either way, the whole thing is moronic to me...

If you reload, hunt with, or value the ability to shoot heavy subsonics then the advantages are obvious. What's not to get? Oh and it also uses the same mags and bcg.

 

[Nemesis]

If you reload, hunt with, or value the ability to shoot heavy subsonics then the advantages are obvious. What's not to get? Oh and it also uses the same mags and bcg.

if you reload, why not get berdan primed brass 7.62x39, a gun that is chambered for that round (which the ones that come to mind cost less than an upper alone)...then you can do all of that already...so why reinvent the wheel?

its cool though, whatever floats peoples boats.

 

[G O B]

I think this is a great intermediate round. A .30 AR that uses standard mags.But it is not a good sub sonic one. For sub sonic anything under 9MM is going to fail. When you slow it down to pistol velocities you need to use pistol rounds.

 

[Russ D]

if you reload, why not get berdan primed brass 7.62x39, a gun that is chambered for that round (which the ones that come to mind cost less than an upper alone)...then you can do all of that already...so why reinvent the wheel?

its cool though, whatever floats peoples boats.

Accuracy, ergonomics, optics flexibility, familiarity, plus if you already own an Ar you only need to buy a barrell.

 

[Russ D]

I think this is a great intermediate round. A .30 AR that uses standard mags.But it is not a good sub sonic one. For sub sonic anything under 9MM is going to fail. When you slow it down to pistol velocities you need to use pistol rounds.

Fail how?

 

[Nemesis]

Accuracy, ergonomics, optics flexibility, familiarity, plus if you already own an Ar you only need to buy a barrell.

same old song and dance...

i've added my .02,

 

[Indiana Jones]

Knew it. .300blk will go the way of the dinosaur. Just like 6.8