You make the call... Dial .380

[Threeband]

...in fact, it is extremely doubtful that any LEO was ever interviewed by the reporter for the article.

He found this guy to talk to:

the gun from Ideal Conceal "is arguably designed not to look like a gun when folded."
That's the part that doesn't sit well with police officers.
"In general, the concept of any kind of weapon that's disguised, so that it's not apparent that it's a weapon, would be cause for concern," said Bill Johnson, executive director and general counsel for the National Association of Police Organizations.

...whatever that is.

"a US lobbying group "

Bill Johnson

 

[RoadDawg]

He found this guy to talk to:



...whatever that is.

"a US lobbying group "

Bill Johnson

"Counsel for"... He's a damn lawyer... NOT a LEO.

He "claims to speak" for the Police...

The reporter should have talked to real Police...

 

[1time]

Idiot reporters...



That statement is placed in the article for effect only. It is a leading statement which fosters an impression that the pistol should be illegal because "after all, ...if the Police don't like it, we shouldn't either".

When in fact, it is extremely doubtful that any LEO was ever interviewed by the reporter for the article.

True. The 2 things that don't sit well with me are the caliber and the capacity...

 

[RoadDawg]

True. The 2 things that don't sit well with me are the caliber and the capacity...

Caliber? Not really an issue for me as it is intended to be a "last ditch effort, up close and personal, surprise the hell out of the aggressor, eye ear nose and throat gun". .380 will be better than nothing in that scenario.

Capacity? Not great... but again "^^^"...
And the designer is working on a semi auto version for future release...

I would like to see it deployed so I can know how fast and easy it is to go from pocket to BANG BANG.

 

[Doobie]

My concern is for LEOs having to face these out on the street. You know darn well that a Didntdonuffin is gonna "acquire" one since it will be the new "bling". As much as everyone whips out their cell phones to record law enforcement, I can see this going two ways.
One: Didntdonuffin is going to pull out his "cell phone" to video police when in fact its one of these and tries/does shoot the LEO

Two: Since Didndonuffin is ALWAYS whipping his/her phone out to video LEO, and since just last week Didndonuffin's cousin tried to murder LEO with gun that looked like a cell phone, Didndonuffin may get shot for having nothing more than a real phone in his/her hand.
Don't misunderstand my "Didntdonuffin" as being limited to one ethnicity...it goes for ALL criminals and thugs because they "Didntdonuffin".

 

[RoadDawg]

My concern is for LEOs having to face these out on the street. You know darn well that a Didntdonuffin is gonna "acquire" one since it will be the new "bling". As much as everyone whips out their cell phones to record law enforcement, I can see this going two ways.
One: Didntdonuffin is going to pull out his "cell phone" to video police when in fact its one of these and tries/does shoot the LEO

Two: Since Didndonuffin is ALWAYS whipping his/her phone out to video LEO, and since just last week Didndonuffin's cousin tried to murder LEO with gun that looked like a cell phone, Didndonuffin may get shot for having nothing more than a real phone in his/her hand.
Don't misunderstand my "Didntdonuffin" as being limited to one ethnicity...it goes for ALL criminals and thugs because they "Didntdonuffin".

I am not concerned about any dindoo who points ANYTHING at a LEO and acts as if it is a gun. That is simply Darwin in action... say hello to Charlie when you see him.

The Police can be educated to the new technology and they are already aware that unique weapons exist. Point it at me as if it is a gun... and guess what I am sending you via special delivery.

Don't point... and continue to breath... Point and you may have new holes to breath through.

 

[j_h_smith]

I am not concerned about any dindoo who points ANYTHING at a LEO and acts as if it is a gun. That is simply Darwin in action... say hello to Charlie when you see him.

The Police can be educated to the new technology and they are already aware that unique weapons exist. Point it at me as if it is a gun... and guess what I am sending you via special delivery.

Don't point... and continue to breath... Point and you may have new holes to breath through.

I don't think there's any amount of training that would tell an officer that this thing is a firearm when seen in a darkened area like an alley or where the locals shoot out the street lights so they can conduct there business.

 

[RoadDawg]

I don't think there's any amount of training that would tell an officer that this thing is a firearm when seen in a darkened area like an alley or where the locals shoot out the street lights so they can conduct there business.

I never trained so much on identifying the item in hand as I did on identifying the posture of the hands. If you wait to positively identify the item... You can be dead.

If they point it at you like it is a gun... It IS a gun. Period...

Assault by threat is as much a felony as an actual assault when the threat is a deadly weapon. OR if it mimics one. Taking up a posture as if you are armed... against an armed Police Officer... is Darwin Award material...

 

[Engine4]

Varney just interviewed the inventor on his show. Looks like a good idea. Really makes concealed mean concealed. This is what we in the 2A community need, a more mainstream looking firearm to carry concealed. He's working on making a semi, as well as other calibers. So what if it's only a 2 shot derringer, it's way better than nothing for those trained in its use.

 

[jmaurath]

Do ya think it will make the roster?

I don't see any reason why not

 

[jmaurath]

Maybe... Maybe not... It has a trigger guard and is basically the same size as a LCP.

as long as it has a trigger guards, actually functions I don't see an issue

 

[StantonCree]

Varney just interviewed the inventor on his show. Looks like a good idea. Really makes concealed mean concealed. This is what we in the 2A community need, a more mainstream looking firearm to carry concealed. He's working on making a semi, as well as other calibers. So what if it's only a 2 shot derringer, it's way better than nothing for those trained in its use.

Please Please Please for the love of god DON'T BUY ONE FOR CONCEALED CARRY. If you like the novelty of it by all means spend your money how you see fit.

as a PSA I have to say this is a terrible product. All I did for a solid year was robbery and 99% of what they are your phones. How often do most of us have 300-400 in cash on us? Almost never because with credit rewards points cash doesn't make sense (besides the point), but you do always have 300-400 on you with a cell phone. They are easy to sell on these offer up, wallapop, and craigslist to other buyers who will quickly erase and unlock it. PURE CASH.

It's the first thing they take from you!!!! Are you going to have time to pull it off you belt clip, open it up, and stop an attacker? Its an unnecessary added step, coupled with 2 shots??!! This product is like taking 4 karate lessons and then getting into a street fight. You have just enough knowledge to get your butt kicked.

Please buy a bodyguard, a LCP, a SIG239, anything that doesn't have an extra step!

I know this isn't what this thread is for but seriously carry something else for your safety.

 

[RoadDawg]

Please Please Please for the love of god DON'T BUY ONE FOR CONCEALED CARRY. If you like the novelty of it by all means spend your money how you see fit.

as a PSA I have to say this is a terrible product. All I did for a solid year was robbery and 99% of what they are your phones. How often do most of us have 300-400 in cash on us? Almost never because with credit rewards points cash doesn't make sense (besides the point), but you do always have 300-400 on you with a cell phone. They are easy to sell on these offer up, wallapop, and craigslist to other buyers who will quickly erase and unlock it. PURE CASH.

It's the first thing they take from you!!!! Are you going to have time to pull it off you belt clip, open it up, and stop an attacker? Its an unnecessary added step, coupled with 2 shots??!! This product is like taking 4 karate lessons and then getting into a street fight. You have just enough knowledge to get your butt kicked.

Please buy a bodyguard, a LCP, a SIG239, anything that doesn't have an extra step!

I know this isn't what this thread is for but seriously carry something else for your safety.

Exactly what I meant when I said I want to see a video showing the deployment methods. Ease/speed of operation would make all of the difference in whether or not it was a viable defense weapon. You are completely correct about the cellphone robbery angle. I see this a lot like the Sneaky Pete holsters for that same reason. Surprise and training would be the other parts of the equation.

 

[Jim12]

Please Please Please for the love of god DON'T BUY ONE FOR CONCEALED CARRY. If you like the novelty of it by all means spend your money how you see fit.

as a PSA I have to say this is a terrible product. All I did for a solid year was robbery and 99% of what they are your phones. How often do most of us have 300-400 in cash on us? Almost never because with credit rewards points cash doesn't make sense (besides the point), but you do always have 300-400 on you with a cell phone. They are easy to sell on these offer up, wallapop, and craigslist to other buyers who will quickly erase and unlock it. PURE CASH.

It's the first thing they take from you!!!! Are you going to have time to pull it off you belt clip, open it up, and stop an attacker? Its an unnecessary added step, coupled with 2 shots??!! This product is like taking 4 karate lessons and then getting into a street fight. You have just enough knowledge to get your butt kicked.

Please buy a bodyguard, a LCP, a SIG239, anything that doesn't have an extra step!

I know this isn't what this thread is for but seriously carry something else for your safety.

Just tell the guy what it really is and he won't steal it, b/c of all the firearm transfer hoops he'd have to jump through to sell it.

 

[MikeTF]

A .380 round at close range is NOT something I would discount as ineffective. I would never stand in front of one willingly. It certainly does have lethal potential.

Agreed, but I also have the same respect for .22lr.

 

[RoadDawg]

Agreed, but I also have the same respect for .22lr.

Me too... I don't want to get hit with any of them.

But, then again... Who does?

 

[Minuteman]

Looks like MSI is going to raffle off an LCP if anyone is interested: https://www.marylandshallissue.org/jmain/2-uncategorised/26-win-a-ruger-lcp-380

 

[POP57]

When I was a kid, I had a Man From U.N.C.L.E briefcase that had a "secret gun" built into hit. I could pummel my sisters with plastic bullets while being discrete.

 

[Minuteman]

When I was a kid, I had a Man From U.N.C.L.E briefcase that had a "secret gun" built into hit. I could pummel my sisters with plastic bullets while being discrete.

Like this?

 

[POP57]

Like this?

To be honest, I don't recall what it looked like. Too many dead brain cells since then. It would have been the mid to late 60s.