VICTORY IN PALMER!!!!

[redeemed.man]

Remember, as MD'ers, we also need to try to figure out the impact of Sculin's 14A decision on inclusion for out of state residents and what DC might do as far as out of state resident carry. To me that's every bit as important as what DC might do for their own residents, if indeed the decide to craft anything.

Certainly I would prefer they honor all 50 states carry permits but if they don't they will have to be shall issue to residents and non-residents. The order makes that pretty clear to me.

 

[Maestro Pistolero]

The fact that the DC Circuit cited Peruta favorably in this case cannot escape the notice of the 9th circuit court of appeals.

I imagine that a teetering justice or two in the 9th circuit might look less askance at Peruta with the combined weight of the DC circuit and 7th circuit (Moore) behind it.

 

[fightinbluhen51]

The fact that the DC Circuit cited Peruta favorably in this case cannot escape the notice of the 9th circuit district court of appeals.

I imagine that a teetering justice or two in the 9th circuit might look less askance at Peruta with the combined weight of the DC circuit and 7th circuit (Moore) behind it.

FIFY.

ETA: reading comprehension owns me.

 

[Haides]

FIFY.

you got that backwards... DC District... 9th Circuit.

 

[danb]

The fact that the DC Circuit cited Peruta favorably in this case cannot escape the notice of the 9th circuit court of appeals.

I imagine that a teetering justice or two in the 9th circuit might look less askance at Peruta with the combined weight of the DC circuit and 7th circuit (Moore) behind it.

Assuming that they have not voted. Given the time, it's entirely possible that they have already voted and are merely in the process of writing/publishing orders & opinions (for example, a dissent from the en banc decision whatever it may be).

 

[press1280]

Assuming that they have not voted. Given the time, it's entirely possible that they have already voted and are merely in the process of writing/publishing orders & opinions (for example, a dissent from the en banc decision whatever it may be).

Would the panel have to rule first on the AG's intervention? If they rule against her, the 9th judges might not want en banc with a dissinterested party (San Diego).

 

[jrosenberger]

There are lots of alternatives. I merely meant that DC will very likely wait to hear from the 9th before they decide a course. If the 9th grants en banc, DC will more than likely pursue an appeal. If en banc is denied, regardless of Harris' petition, appeal looks unlikely IMO.

It seems very unlikely that en banc in Peruta will be decided before the 30 day appeal deadline in Palmer.

 

[Inigoes]

It seems very unlikely that en banc in Peruta will be decided before the 30 day appeal deadline in Palmer.

Hopefully, the CA9 will deny Harris intervener status by then.

 

[Dogabutila]

Hence why I said delay the decision for a year and train the cops.

How bout we go back to what we had that one day where there weren't any shootouts or people getting hassled. AND we do away with qualified immunity for this.

Bet the cops learn a lot faster than a year.

Right....a right delayed is dented.....however (insert reason for wanting to deny a right)

So in other words you don't care about our rights because it might be inconvenient to your job?

 

[StantonCree]

How bout we go back to what we had that one day where there weren't any shootouts or people getting hassled. AND we do away with qualified immunity for this.

Bet the cops learn a lot faster than a year.




So in other words you don't care about our rights because it might be inconvenient to your job?

Your hostile dick head undertones are unnecessary. My point is actually about more care for people because I want the cops properly trained to avoid any unnecessities

 

[Mr H]

How bout we go back to what we had that one day where there weren't any shootouts or people getting hassled. AND we do away with qualified immunity for this.

Bet the cops learn a lot faster than a year.

So in other words you don't care about our rights because it might be inconvenient to your job?

Really??

He's trying to be measured and assumes a cautiously long learning curve, and suddenly he's against us??

 

[danb]

Would the panel have to rule first on the AG's intervention? If they rule against her, the 9th judges might not want en banc with a dissinterested party (San Diego).

IANAL, but Peruta mostly already conceded Harris can intervene. Peruta can only get to the Supreme Court with an opposing party.

With Richards and Baker requesting en banc, both dependent on Peruta opinion, I personally think they will dispense with everything at once because they are all so tightly linked.

 

[TxAggie]

Your hostile dick head undertones are unnecessary. My point is actually about more care for people because I want the cops properly trained to avoid any unnecessities

Yee thinking too much and making too much rational sense.

It throws people off.

While I don't necessarily like what you're saying only because I want this to happen soon, you make some great points. If people get arrested because of ill trained LEO, the thread to follow would be HUGE!!!

"Why don't the LEO's know the law?!? mad mad mad"

Thanks again for your perspective.

 

[ryan_j]

Really??



He's trying to be measured and assumes a cautiously long learning curve, and suddenly he's against us??

A year long wait is unnecessary. Why a whole year? People are already carrying in DC legally. Exactly what kind of "training" will take a whole damn year to ensure that people carrying are legally doing so and not breaking any laws?

 

[ryan_j]

Yee thinking too much and making too much rational sense.

It throws people off.

While I don't necessarily like what you're saying only because I want this to happen soon, you make some great points. If people get arrested because of ill trained LEO, the thread to follow would be HUGE!!!

"Why don't the LEO's know the law?!? mad mad mad"

Thanks again for your perspective.

People still get their rights violated even after years of training and experienced police forces. LEOSA has 50 state carry already for some people and it's easier to validate a carry permit than it is to validate LEOSA compliance. IOW, It's not rocket science. A whole year is excessive.

 

[INMY01TA]

Ya sorry but a year seems long to me too. DC had plenty of time to come up with something already in the event they lost. This case took what? 5 years?

 

[Maestro Pistolero]

FIFY.

I don't think you did. The Peruta case is currently in the hands of the ninth circuit court of appeals.

 

[Dogabutila]

Yes you care for people. That's why you want to continue violating our right huh? How many people got hassled that day? It's really easy. Apparently all the training you need is to send out an email.

 

[JohnnyE]

We're already debating how to cook the fish before we got it in the boat.

 

[Mr H]

Yes you care for people. That's why you want to continue violating our right huh? How many people got hassled that day? It's really easy. Apparently all the training you need is to send out an email.

Do tell...

How many people DID get 'hassled' [those days]???

You are so hung up on words, that you neglect (refuse?) to see that they are expressions of thought, and not necessarily policy?

I know he can defend himself admirably, but I'm gonna chime in...

mpdc4511 is among the staunchest of 2A supporters, and it was pretty apparent that he is using the "one year" as a guess of the longest it would take.

Puh-leeze........