VICTORY IN PALMER!!!!

[joppaj]

Wollard doesn't apply to DC since it's not in the 4th circuit. Also, restrictive G&S won't fly in DC since self defense is a valid reason to issue a permit now thanks to this case.

Ok, since self defense is valid, you'll only need to submit 10 documented threats in writing.

 

[rem87062597]

Actually works for me but I'll throw this back at you.....and I'll catch my flak.

This can't go into effect immediately, the 4000 members need training on how to deal with this. If its a random roll out, it won't be good. I'm not talking accidental shootings or anything but with the way cops approach people.

It's going to be terrible no matter how much training they have on the issue.

 

[Inigoes]

Actually works for me but I'll throw this back at you.....and I'll catch my flak.

This can't go into effect immediately, the 4000 members need training on how to deal with this. If its a random roll out, it won't be good. I'm not talking accidental shootings or anything but with the way cops approach people.

There are 4000 members in the gun registration unit?

It seems, the training for constitutional carry was issued via email, so the training for looking at DC permits can be issued via email. problem solved

 

[StantonCree]

It's going to be terrible no matter how much training they have on the issue.

Not really. We do In service all the time and this CCW, laws, approach, interaction, and whatever else needs to be apart of it. Quell the cops CCW fears......dc has not had carry in forever

 

[swinokur]

Ok, since self defense is valid, you'll only need to submit 10 documented threats in writing.

DC should do it. Then Gura can ask for a TRO, then if granted, we go back to Constitutional carry until they get it right or they appeal and get a stay from the Circuit.

Work for me.

 

[StantonCree]

There are 4000 members in the gun registration unit?

It seems, the training for constitutional carry was issued via email, so the training for looking at DC permits can be issued via email. problem solved

Hahahahaha and I thought you were the think before you speak type.

 

[CypherPunk]

I saw Chief Lanier give a press conference last Monday where she encouraged the public to still call 911 and report anyone carrying a gun. It implied regardless of what they were doing (ie picking up litter or pushing a baby stroller).

She then instructed MPD officers to stop and ID open carriers to establish residency. In the case of DC residence to demand proof of registration. The goal is obvious.

If and when DC does comply, these unlawful stops may be the next issue.

 

[swinokur]

Is residency via license checking RAS or PC of a crime about to be committed, in progress or afoot when engaged in a then (few days ago) protected activity?

How does that comport with Terry? Do they stop drivers to check licenses without any evidence of an infraction?

Not being a smart a$$-really ant to know this

 

[StantonCree]

I saw Chief Lanier give a press conference last Monday where she encouraged the public to still call 911 and report anyone carrying a gun. It implied regardless of what they were doing (ie picking up litter or pushing a baby stroller).

She then instructed MPD officers to stop and ID open carriers to establish residency. In the case of DC residence to demand proof of registration. The goal is obvious.

If and when DC does comply, these unlawful stops may be the next issue.

Hence why I said delay the decision for a year and train the cops.

 

[StantonCree]

Is residency via license checking RAS or PC of a crime about to be committed, in progress or afoot when engaged in a then (few days ago) protected activity?

How does that comport with Terry? Do they stop drivers to check licenses without any evidence of an infraction?

Not being a smart as-really ant to know this

The teletype said carry (for those few days) was neither RAS or PC

 

[CypherPunk]

Hence why I said delay the decision for a year and train the cops.

Or just train Chief Lanier not to give unlawful orders.

 

[StantonCree]

Or just train Chief Lanier not to give unlawful orders.

You've avoided every ? And valid point I've raised.......you and I are done here.

 

[swinokur]

Her purported statements about license checking don't comport with her teletype orders on licensing checking with no RAS or PC and could result in more lawsuits IMO. I agree training is needed-even apparently for the Chief if the statement was accurately reported. Maybe it was a mis quote.

 

[rem87062597]

There's precedence in the 4th circuit.

http://www.fedagent.com/columns/cas...ysis-of-the-free-to-leave-standard-of-seizure

 

[swinokur]

DC is not in the 4CA. They are in the DC Circuit.4 CA precedents are not binding on the DC Circuit.

 

[rem87062597]

DC is not in the 4CA. They are in the DC Circuit.4 CA precedents are not binding on the DC Circuit.

I know but it's a great argument for why what DC is doing isn't legal. When they get sued for this it's probably going to go roughly the same way as that case went.

 

[CypherPunk]

Or just train Chief Lanier not to give unlawful orders.

I'm not cop bashing. No doubt it's a difficult situation for both sides. Training and time to adjust will be beneficial for everyone.

I once had a verbal altercation with a LEO who tried to move my fire hose in an attempt to open up a travel lane, putting my crew's safety at risk. I'm still not over that.

 

[ryan_j]

The precedent is not binding but I bet they think that since SCOTUS denied cert for Woollard, Drake and Kachalsky that may-issue is safe from being struck down by SCOTUS.

 

[joppaj]

The precedent is not binding but I bet they think that since SCOTUS denied cert for Woollard, Drake and Kachalsky that may-issue is safe from being struck down by SCOTUS.

That's my thinking as well.

 

[ryan_j]

During the debates in Illinois some wanted a NY style law, seeing that Kachalsky was denied cert...