still a little confused on how to do an ar15 pistol

[Voodoods]

So I own a pre-ban ar15. I want to buy another stripped lower and make it into pistol. And from what I've read that is A-OK. Not illegal. BUT what I'm trying to figure out is this: nearly every short AR barreled upper I run across is listed as NFA. Maybe I'm checking the wrong sites.

Is it fairly simple to get an 11.5" barrel for a MD legal AR Pistol? Where do you buy them? Its so frustrating, we're made to feel like criminals and *****-foot around these issues.

Also, is there any regulation on NON 5.56 caliber ARs in terms of vertical grips/muzzle attachments etc? I believe that only applies to rifles in 5.56 correct?

Oh one more question (I haven't check on these things for awhile)- are 25 round mags for things like 10/22s illegal now?


Thanks in advance!

 

[DaemonAssassin]

They state "All NFA Rules Apply", so that people have a clear warning that it is a short barreled upper and for use on a SBR or a pistol.

If it says "All NFA Rules Apply" or some other variant of that, or says "For pistol or NFA", you are good to go on using it for a pistol build.

As an interesting side note, your pistol barrel can be any length you want it to be.

 

[BigT5g]

No worries you can buy all the uppers you want of various lengths for your pustol.

 

[stringer bell]

what.... uppers are not regulated.

tis fairly simple, click here http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/ and buy what you like.

 

[DoubleTap007]

These guys have it covered, but in short, as long as you do not put a stock on it, its a pistol. You can have any barrel length you wish to have. Sellers noting NFA are just giving you a heads up to cover themselves. They will be happy to sell it to you.

I do not believe you can have a vertical foregrip on a pistol.

 

[dontpanic]

25rd mags are legal to own and use in MD. You cannot buy or sell >10 rounders in MD. But you can go to a state where they can be bought. Buy as many as you want and bring them back with you.

 

[Pinecone]

Vertical foregrip:

ATF has long held that by installing a vertical fore grip on a handgun, the handgun is no longer designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand. Therefore, if individuals install a vertical fore grip on a handgun, they are “making” a firearm requiring registration with ATF’s NFA Branch. Making an unregistered “AOW” is punishable by a fine and 10 years’ imprisonment. Additionally, possession of an unregistered “AOW” is also punishable by fine and 10 years’ imprisonment.

 

[DaemonAssassin]

Vertical foregrip:

If it has a 26"> OAL you can avoid the NFA/AOW issue completely when you put a VFG on it.

 

[E.Shell]

These guys have it covered, but in short, as long as you do not put a stock on it, its a pistol....

The other caveat is that the lower must be sold to you as an "other" or as a "handgun", NOT as a rifle.

One cannot legally convert an AR-15 rifle lower to be a handgun lower.

...You can have any barrel length you wish to have. Sellers noting NFA are just giving you a heads up to cover themselves. They will be happy to sell it to you.

True.

I do not believe you can have a vertical foregrip on a pistol.

True, a vertical foregrip is a NO-GO because that makes it an AOW and it becomes subject to NFA regulation/tax/registration.

 

[outrider58]

I'll just throw this in;

Whilst you are gathering parts to build to build your pistol, be sure and have a pistol buffer tube on hand before buying your short barrel or SBR upper.

 

[Voodoods]

Thanks all! That really helps!!

 

[Voodoods]

two quick questions- does it need to say pistol or can it be caliber-multi? And can we MDers order more than one pistol lower per 30 day period? I know there used to be a limit on pistols and ARs (1 per 30 day), if memory serves.

 

[Pinecone]

If it has a 26"> OAL you can avoid the NFA/AOW issue completely when you put a VFG on it.

I was thinking that, but with a quick search, did not see that referenced.

Only the letter with the quote, which did not say anything about the 26" COAL.

 

[DaemonAssassin]

two quick questions- does it need to say pistol or can it be caliber-multi? And can we MDers order more than one pistol lower per 30 day period? I know there used to be a limit on pistols and ARs (1 per 30 day), if memory serves.

Multi is your best bet, but that is the caliber making on the lower. There is rarely a rifle or pistol designator on the lower.

Yes, you can get 2 regulated items on the same purchase, but you have to wait 60 days before doing another regulated purchase.

 

[shooter682]

Unless you become a designated collector than you can buy as many as you like or until the money runs out. The rule on 26" OAL is for rifles with a minimum of 16" barrel for America here in MD it is 29" OAL with stock extended
Ie an SBR AR to pass this test has to have a 10.5" barrel and the right stock to make that criteria..

 

[gungate]

Here's everything you need.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ar-15-05/pistol-kits.html

 

[SCDoGo]

Here's everything you need.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ar-15-05/pistol-kits.html

It looks like it to me, but double checking with those who know more. With those kits (by PSA or otherwise) is it only missing the lower to be a complete build?

 

[dtmeyers]

It looks like it to me, but double checking with those who know more. With those kits (by PSA or otherwise) is it only missing the lower to be a complete build?

Yes

 

[atblis]

What are the best deals on stripped lowers right now in Md?

 

[outrider58]

What are the best deals on stripped lowers right now in Md?

Saw some Anderson lowers for around $50+

A buddy just brought an Aero Pre. lower over here and we built a 6.8 on it. I think the lower was around $50. Not sure where he got it from. The Anderson was at the HoCo show last weekend.