SB1 (2023) - Criminal Law - Wearing, Carrying, or Transporting Firearms - Restrictions (Gun Safety Act of 2023)

[Lafayette]

Blue law?? This isn't 1975.

Maybe, but no one told Baltimore City, Baltimore County, or PG County as they still don’t allow alcohol sales on Sundays for off-premise consumption.

 

[Darkemp]

At last a little common sense.

Very uncommon in Maryland.

 

[ironpony]

Haven’t logged in for a week or so and thought I’d check in on the day before

I guess that’ll be a while!

Thanks MSI and probably a lot of others and MDS for keeping like minds in the know!

 

[Deep Lurker]

At last a little common sense.

 

[Axl]

Federal judge in Maryland temporarily blocks part of new state law restricting where gun owners can carry

A federal judge ruled that parts of a Maryland gun law restricting where owners can carry can be blocked, including where alcohol is sold, private property and public demonstrations.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Mark75H]

Federal judge in Maryland temporarily blocks part of new state law restricting where gun owners can carry

A federal judge ruled that parts of a Maryland gun law restricting where owners can carry can be blocked, including where alcohol is sold, private property and public demonstrations.

www.foxnews.com

SB1 (2023) - Criminal Law - Wearing, Carrying, or Transporting Firearms - Restrictions (Gun Safety Act of 2023)

Liquor stores are OK. Restaurants which serve alcohol and bars are not. So if the liquor store owner has a sign stating that firearms are permitted on premises,it's GTO and does not violate sb1?

www.mdshooters.com

 

[2500yards]

That is not in the new law (final SB1).

If you read WMAR’s article, they listed all of the original places that were in first draft of SB1, not the final. They apparently didn’t keep up with the bill as it progressed.

Best to read the actual law/bill to get accurate information.

Here is a good compilation of 2023 handgun laws.

https://www.2amaryland.org/legislative/2023/MARYLAND_GUN_LAWS_2023.pdf

Then read the injunction:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.536809/gov.uscourts.mdd.536809.32.0.pdf

Reading through the first pdf, it reads as though printing while carrying isn’t a crime. Anyone have any more insight into this? Is the current state law reading this way? Last I heard they were going to arrest everyone if they could even tell you had a gun concealed.

Btw, Congratulations MSI and all others involved in the battle. So glad to be a supporter and more glad there is such great people fighting for our rights.

 

[Georges2nd]

Injunction on the day that super libtard and Ms. Assault weapons ban Diane Feinstein checks out, is she already in the grave to be rolling over or must she wait.


Thank you MSI


Nobody

Word has it shes turning in her grave like a rotesery chichen

 

[JollyPedro]

Reading through the first pdf, it reads as though printing while carrying isn’t a crime. Anyone have any more insight into this? Is the current state law reading this way? Last I heard they were going to arrest everyone if they could even tell you had a gun concealed.

Btw, Congratulations MSI and all others involved in the battle. So glad to be a supporter and more glad there is such great people fighting for our rights.

brief printing, or exposure, is not a crime in MD....

 

[crabjoe]

When someone sues the State in cases such as SB1, does Moore have to show up in court? I'm wondering because IMHO, if you signed the law and you get sued over the law, you (Moore in this case) should be required to show up in court with your attorney (State AG in this case). Not sure if it would work, but I feel, at least sensible Governors, wouldn't sign things into law, if they feel they have to defend it with their own time.

 

[BeoBill]

The Marylanders to Prevent Gun Violence response to the judge is not going to help the State...

Maryland gun control activists say the quiet part out loud

bearingarms.com

...“America’s unique problem of gun violence cannot be tackled effectively with an ever-growing number of weapons. A citizen-led arms race is not a solution,” the group maintains.

 

[Threeband]

Reading through the first pdf, it reads as though printing while carrying isn’t a crime. Anyone have any more insight into this? Is the current state law reading this way? Last I heard they were going to arrest everyone if they could even tell you had a gun concealed.

Where did you hear that bit of alarmist nonsense?

While printing might lead to discovery of someone who is carrying illegally, how could printing possibly be a crime?

What do you think printing means? Printing is just a little ripple in the cloth of your shirt, or a slight bulge under your jacket or at worst, a vague outline in your pocket.

The vast majority of examples will be so subtle that only a very observant person who is also familiar with the specifics of concealed carry would even notice, and even then, how sure can they really be?

Only a LEO could challenge a person based on a ripple or a bulge, and then only if they can articulate a reasonable suspicion that a crime is being committed. That could only occur in a prohibited location or by a prohibited person. Otherwise, the mere act of carrying a concealed pistol does not in itself justify such a suspicion, because Shall Issue is the law and Carry permits are common.

A store employee would not have the right to detain or search you based on a ripple or a bulge. They might question you or even ask you to leave, but they cannot legally force you to reveal the nature of that ripple or bulge. If they tried to, they open themselves up to all kinds of civil or even criminal liability.

Even a policeman, as I noted, had better be able to articulate a reasonable suspicion that you are committing a crime. That was the source of all the controversy over the "stop and frisk" policy by the New York Police. Current thinking seems to be that "stop and frisk" was only slightly less egregious than the Nazi Holocaust, though opinions vary.

Be aware that many things may cause a slight ripple, a bulge, or even a vague outline. Cell phones, tape measures, medical appliances including insulin pumps, ostomy bags, TENS units, water bottles, turtles, multimeters and just about any ordinary thing a person might carry. Just because someone sees a ripple in someone else's clothing doesn't give them the right to accosted that person. Even a police officer needs to be very careful doing that.

No, printing is not illegal.

The law even specifically says "brief exposure" of the actual gun itself is not illegal.

 

[Allen65]

When someone sues the State in cases such as SB1, does Moore have to show up in court? I'm wondering because IMHO, if you signed the law and you get sued over the law, you (Moore in this case) should be required to show up in court with your attorney (State AG in this case). Not sure if it would work, but I feel, at least sensible Governors, wouldn't sign things into law, if they feel they have to defend it with their own time.

AFAIK, no. The OAG provides the presence in the courtroom and advocates for the State. The only time the Governor would need to be in court would be if he was called as a witness to provide testimony.

 

[Apd09]

AFAIK, no. The OAG provides the presence in the courtroom and advocates for the State. The only time the Governor would need to be in court would be if he was called as a witness to provide testimony.

Would love to see the line of questioning…

Q: Gov. were you at anytime advised that this law may be unconstitutional by your AG?
A: no, they said it’ll pass muster.

Q: Gov, did you solicit opposing view feedback on the law so that you could tailor it to fit what’s best for ALL your constituents?
A: no, this is common sense gun law.

Q: Gov. at any point did you look around the country and solicit feedback from governors that passed similar laws and were currently being sued on the constitutionality of the laws and if so said to yourself “maybe I should wait to see if their laws hold up before I tie up state legal and financial resources as opposed to using them find root cause of violence using guns?”
A: no, their state is not my state.
Less guns more safe, there’s your root cause.


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[thomfantomas]

The Marylanders to Prevent Gun Violence response to the judge is not going to help the State...

Maryland gun control activists say the quiet part out loud

bearingarms.com

Let them proudly burn their bridges!!!

 

[eruby]

Let them proudly burn their bridges!!!

Flame ON!!

 

[thomfantomas]

 

[Chat-Bot]

During the seminar I was at from the link.

 

[Chat-Bot]

Where did you hear about the Baltimore fine/jail time?

During the seminar I was at from the link.

New MD Firearms Legislation and how does it affect you?​

This seminar will cover the new Maryland 2023 Legislative changes effective October 1, 2023 that affect Maryland handgun permits and firearms in general, as well as applicable legal challenges. Attorneys and subject matter experts will be presenting and available for one on one discussion.

https://training.usconcealedcarry.com/class/new-md-firearms-legislation-and-how-does-it-affect-you/78aa7c56-4287-11ee-86f3-da3caa90eb5e

 

[rbird7282]

During the seminar I was at from the link.

New MD Firearms Legislation and how does it affect you?​

This seminar will cover the new Maryland 2023 Legislative changes effective October 1, 2023 that affect Maryland handgun permits and firearms in general, as well as applicable legal challenges. Attorneys and subject matter experts will be presenting and available for one on one discussion.

https://training.usconcealedcarry.com/class/new-md-firearms-legislation-and-how-does-it-affect-you/78aa7c56-4287-11ee-86f3-da3caa90eb5e

Doesn't mean it's not true, but I don't remember hearing anything about this. (The Baltimore portion you're referring to)
Anyone else hear about this or is this misinformation from US Concealed Carry?