SAF SUES IN MARYLAND OVER HANDGUN PERMIT DENIAL UPDATED 3-5-12

[casmith09]

What I find interesting about this...FBI says no more print cards...and yet non-residents can still use print cards. ???

A lot of licensing agency are like that. Because we have live scan available and other states may not. I know with healthcare it is the same way for non residence. In those cases they've hired a third party like cogentid

 

[swinokur]

Part of the issue is Livescan is usually connected to the state CJIS, not the FBI. The connected state agency actually sends the prints to the FBI. This is what prevents interstate Livescan printing from being available AFAIK. Hopefully this will change.

 

[P-12 Norm]

What a great idea.

I do believe Skunkwerx has a sticky to that effect at the beginning of this forum.

 

[dlmcbm]

I do believe Skunkwerx has a sticky to that effect at the beginning of this forum.

Yea on how to apply with over 700 reply's that its obvious new applicants are not looking at it. I am talking about a single post that has the FAQ that can be updated. There have been countless post this week with new questions and ones that have been answered over and over and over. Just thought it might help with all the new threads.

 

[mrjam2jab]

Yea on how to apply with over 700 reply's that its obvious new applicants are not looking at it. I am talking about a single post that has the FAQ that can be updated. There have been countless post this week with new questions and ones that have been answered over and over and over. Just thought it might help with all the new threads.

A "How to apply for...." thread that is locked so only Mods can make relevant changes.

 

[MDFF2008]

Did you consider www.marylandshallissue.org/woollard

There are FAQ's and a guide.

 

[newmuzzleloader]

Did you consider www.marylandshallissue.org/woollard

There are FAQ's and a guide.

Ya beat me to it. that's where I saw the info on no print cards this morning.

 

[hooligan82]

There is another thread stating a stay was requested with the 4th circuit. Can someone with pacer confirm this?

 

[navycraig]

There is another thread stating a stay was requested with the 4th circuit. Can someone with pacer confirm this?

I don't have Pacer, but...

http://thedailyrecord.com/2012/07/27/gansler-asks-4th-circuit-to-stay-handgun-permit-ruling/

 

[Mr H]

There is another thread stating a stay was requested with the 4th circuit. Can someone with pacer confirm this?

Nothing saying they HAVE to grant it...

Will make it interesting, though.

 

[MJD438]

CA4 Motion for Stay

IANAL and I have not read this yet. This is only the Motion, not the two additional files that were filed with it.

 

[hooligan82]

I don't have Pacer, but...

http://thedailyrecord.com/2012/07/27/gansler-asks-4th-circuit-to-stay-handgun-permit-ruling/

I saw this, but would rather see it confirmed.

Nothing saying they HAVE to grant it...

Will make it interesting, though.

I agree it will be interesting to see the outcome. Do you think the way they rule on the stay will indicate their view on the case? This is what I was initially thinking, but I'm not too well knowledgeable about proceedings like this.

 

[hooligan82]

CA4 Motion for Stay

IANAL and I have not read this yet. This is only the Motion, not the two additional files that were filed with it.

Thanks, I was hoping it was the media misconstruing something.

 

[teratos]

I saw this, but would rather see it confirmed

Do you doubt that MD is going to ask the 4th for a stay?

 

[hooligan82]

Do you doubt that MD is going to ask the 4th for a stay?

I guess it was misplaced optimism. I never thought I would see Md. ccw rights get this far in my lifetime.

 

[faze]

I guess it was misplaced optimism. I never thought I would see Md. ccw rights get this far in my lifetime.

In ten days or so 99% of this forum will be allowed to carry after applying.

 

[Mr H]

I agree it will be interesting to see the outcome. Do you think the way they rule on the stay will indicate their view on the case? This is what I was initially thinking, but I'm not too well knowledgeable about proceedings like this.

Not necessarily, but then, I'm still learning this stuff!!

I guess a stay can be seen as a "OK, we'll call a cooling off period", or a "Yeah... you might be on to something here", but I don't know that the panel would use it to tip their hand (and of course, I defer to the experts on this one).

So... all math completed?? If I had to put a nickel down on this one, I'd say they'll give it consideration, and likely grant it. Whether it gets granted before the 8th or not is anyone's guess, IMO.

 

[hooligan82]

In ten days or so 99% of this forum will be allowed to carry after applying.

I hope you are right. It's the way things should be. When I first got into shooting I encountered a MSI volunteer at a gun show. For the first 7 years or so I followed the updates with an expectation that things would right themselves. I'm glad to see things on a course that follows the majority of the country. Hopefully Md. will be shall issue like the rest of the 4th circuit, and most of the country soon.

 

[Al Norris]

Here's the current docket and the States Motion:

07/24/2012 54 DISTRICT COURT UPDATE. ORDER denying [67] Motion to Stay; dissolving the temporary stay entered by Order of March 30, 2012 effective 14 days following the issuance of this order. Signed by Judge Benson Everett Legg on 7/23/2012. [12-1437] (JB)

07/27/2012 55 MOTION by Appellants Marcus L. Brown, Denis Gallagher, Seymour Goldstein and Charles M. Thomas, Jr. to exceed length limitations for motion. Date and method of service: 07/27/2012 ecf. [998904244] [12-1437] Matthew Fader

07/27/2012 56 MOTION by Appellants Marcus L. Brown, Denis Gallagher, Seymour Goldstein and Charles M. Thomas, Jr. for stay pending appeal. Date of action to be stayed, if applicable:March 5, 2012 and April 2, 2012 orders that will be effective August 7, 2012 pursuant to order entered July 24, 2012... Date and method of service: 07/27/2012 ecf. [998904268] [12-1437] Matthew Fader

07/27/2012 57 NOTICE ISSUED to Mr. Alan Gura for Second Amendment Foundation, inc. and Raymond Woollard and Mr. Cary Johnson Hansel, III for Second Amendment Foundation, inc. and Raymond Woollard requesting response to Motion for stay pending appeal [56]Response due: 07/31/2012.[998904304].. [12-1437] (DL)

Note that the Motion is in draft form, pending #55 motion to exceed length. Also notice that Gura has until next Tuesday, July 31, to file a response.

 

[MJD438]

I love it - just started reading the CA4 Motion.

This Court should stay
those orders because all four factors required to be considered in connection with a stay application favor entering a stay.

Pretty sure that Legg did a good job of showing how it did not meet the factors...

In contrast to the irreparable harm facing Defendants in the absence of a stay, entering a stay would neither interfere with a core constitutional right nor prevent citizens from keeping and bearing multiple types of firearms for selfdefense either inside or outside the home.

Ah, he appears to be inferring the infamous "long gun carry" argument here...