SAF SUES IN MARYLAND OVER HANDGUN PERMIT DENIAL UPDATED 3-5-12

[Hit and Run]

Great news but the battle doesn't look over yet

 

[Hopalong]

I beg to differ. According to Judge Legg's ruling, he explicitly states that self-defense does not end at the doorstep.

He does state that, but he doesn't specifically address the issue in great detail because it wasn't raised in this case. Unless SCOTUS expanded the question to include permits in general, as opposed to simply the criteria for getting one, I still think we'd need another ruling to cover that.

I could be wrong though.

 

[Inigoes]

Finally caught up, for the next 30 seconds until someone else posts...

Could someone very involved in the subject (you know who you are!) please give some guidance on whether it makes more sense to apply or wait for the appeal? Or is this something we can expect in the near future? I see a lot of ideas being thrown around, but unfortunately, I'm not sure who's opinion I should put more stock in!

Also, can we expect any open holster rallies or anything of the sort, hopefully on a weekend so that I can finally attend and meet some of you all?

Thanks again to everyone!!

I'm torn

As am I

The MSP already has thown a monkey wrench in the process dated March 1, 2012 (Could have been from the advance notice Judge Legg sent out).

MSP will only accept electronic fingerprints now...

 

[faze]

Great news but the battle doesn't look over yet

Nowhere near over.

 

[Dklo]

Nope no rent money, Im not a felon, drunk or drug user. No severe mental illness, and Im not violent. 3 police officers as character references. I am also putting down I am in an "assumed risk" profession.

 

[yellowsled]

2. (I wasn't going to post this until after the announcement to appeal was actually made, but it already has been so I can't do any damage.) From a nation-wide damage control point of view, appealing this is very, very stupid for the antis. Right now, this ruling only applies to Maryland and it pretty much makes Maryland Shall Issue. It lays out clearly what can and cannot fly in terms of deciding who can get a carry permit. If Gansler & Co. appeal this all the way up to SCOTUS and we win (which we will), it will apply nationwide. Think about that for a moment. This ruling could very well render New York, California, and New Jersey "Shall Issue" as well as Maryland if we win at SCOTUS. I'm less familiar with how Massachusetts and Hawaii laws work. Sadly, I don't think this ruling would help Illinois or DC because they don't issue permits at all. This is a huge risk for the antis to take; they're basically betting their remaining "stronghold" states that they can beat this. Dumb.

Am I wrong here?

Interesting thoughts...

 

[aberforth]

(Could have been from the advance notice Judge Legg sent out)

Inigoes, do you have a source for that or is it just speculation? You're not the first person who I've heard say that but I haven't seen that in any articles and I didn't know that was SOP for any courts.

Thanks!

 

[Lightning]

Well, this thread took forever to read an catch up. To go from 217 pages last night to 251 tonight is a mere milestone. Congrats to all who worked hard to help secure this win. This is some of the best news I have seen outside of learning about the SAF suit. However, we must remain vigilant and keep our fingers crossed that there is no stay and we win at the 4th... Thanks again!!!!!

 

[Mr H]

Nope no rent money, Im not a felon, drunk or drug user. No severe mental illness, and Im not violent. 3 police officers as character references. I am also putting down I am in an "assumed risk" profession.

In a "Shall Issue" condition, should there even be a need for "character references"???

 

[X-Factor]

As am I

The MSP already has thown a monkey wrench in the process dated March 1, 2012 (Could have been from the advance notice Judge Legg sent out).

MSP will only accept electronic fingerprints now...

Let's not mischaracterize it, though. The FBI changed their policy per that memorandum. I'm sure MSP is REALLY upset about it, though. lol

 

[Tootall]

to all our guests reading this thread right now

Im going to hold off on tossing my application on the pile and let the dust settle. im sure an amended form will be coming forthwith and all applications sent in on the wrong form will be denied and app fees kept

 

[PJDiesel]

im sure an amended form will be coming forthwith and all applications sent in on the wrong form will be denied and app fees kept

Ummm, I'm sure you are incorrect on that part....

 

[aberforth]

In a "Shall Issue" condition, should there even be a need for "character references"???

We have 'em up here in PA, but at least here in York Co. they're purely a formality on the Statewide app form. I know for a fact that the Sheriff's office didn't call them or care who they were, the deputy just made me write "someone's name and phone number" in the blanks. I'm sure MD won't be that laid back initially, but references on the app aren't necessarily a PITA.

 

[Inigoes]

Inigoes, do you have a source for that or is it just speculation? You're not the first person who I've heard say that but I haven't seen that in any articles and I didn't know that was SOP for any courts.

Thanks!

A while back in this thread, it was put out that each party will get an advance notice, before the opinion was released to the public. It would make sense to allow each party to review an opinion for technical mistakes, just like meeting minutes.

Although my tinfoil is thick

 

[rambling_one]

As am I

The MSP already has thown a monkey wrench in the process dated March 1, 2012 (Could have been from the advance notice Judge Legg sent out).

MSP will only accept electronic fingerprints now...

This could be construed as them putting up an illegal barrier.

It'd be nice if they're forced to offer the scan at ALL barracks.

 

[aberforth]

A while back in this thread, it was put out that each party will get an advance notice, before the opinion was released to the public. It would make sense to allow each party to review an opinion for technical mistakes, just like meeting minutes.

Although my tinfoil is thick

Sure, I could see why it would be done, I just wasn't clear that it typically was (and I confess I haven't read the full docket for this case in quite some time). Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Tootall]

Ummm, I'm sure you are incorrect on that part....

**insert witty remark normally made when this thread isnt so damn important**


im sorry i didnt use the for the slow bus chilren

 

[jmcgonig]

An interesting view point about how this isn't a big win from a pro-2A site

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/03/robert-farago/scotth-woolard-v-sheridan-not-such-a-big-win/

 

[PJDiesel]

**insert witty remark normally made when this thread isnt so damn important**


im sorry i didnt use the for the slow bus chilren

Yeah, well with all the armageddon/conspiracy theory / Obama is gonna take away my guns types around here it's hard to tell who's are real whacko or just joking around.

 

[DD214]

Flippin' sweet. A huge thanks to all who made this possible, especially MSI and SAF.