Rep. Hudson to introduce Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act

[Schipperke]

So how long it take for this to become law?

 

[j_h_smith]

So how long it take for this to become law?

My educated (well maybe not so educated) guess would be between 4 months and 40 years. Of course there has to be a 3% variable.

 

[swinokur]

needs to be introduced , then goes through the committee process, then to each side of Congress. Then if the House and Senate version are different, to a conference committee. After that to President Trump. So 4 months seems a good estimate. As written, the bill takes effect 90 days after passage. Fall 2017 seems a good guess IMO.

but I'm just guessing

 

[Inigoes]

So how long it take for this to become law?

Gotta wait for Trump to be sworn in. Obama would veto it.

 

[Stoveman]

Gotta wait for Trump to be sworn in. Obama would veto it.

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdo...20T12&msg=Time left until Obama leaves office

 

[Brooklyn]

All prior iterations of national reciprocity bills included that an out-of-state permit must be treated as the least-restricted permit available in the visited state.

NYC would have to ban all carry or make NYC permits so useless that everyone would resort to hiring off-duty cops for protection before someone with a PA license could be prohibited from carrying in Times Square.

NJ for example... Has a ban on Hollow point. An explicit exception was made for leosa. Are you saying that the NJ hollow point ban would be moot?
That's a major plus if true.


In case you don't know NJ would love to force all private security to be off duty police...Even more so in NY..

It's a good way to allow police to make a buck without taxpayer expense.. in some cases hireing off duty police is a condition of getting an event permit... Like most things in NY... Everybody gets a cut..

Frankly most gun hostile states will find ways ... We need a federal safe harbor..

 

[swinokur]

Hollow Points are not banned in NJ. Strictly regulated. But not banned.

http://www.njsp.org/firearms/transport-hollowpoint.shtml

 

[Brooklyn]

Hollow Points are not banned in NJ. Strictly regulated. But not banned.

http://www.njsp.org/firearms/transport-hollowpoint.shtml

Banned for carry. You can own but not use in a carry gun... At least that's what my contacts tell me.


I was never a gun owner in NJ or NYC.

If it holds then it gets very interesting..

 

[jimbobborg]

NJ for example... Has a ban on Hollow point. An explicit exception was made for leosa. Are you saying that the NJ hollow point ban would be moot?

Try these instead http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.php?route=product/product&path=125_178&product_id=597

 

[press1280]

Banned for carry. You can own but not use in a carry gun... At least that's what my contacts tell me.


I was never a gun owner in NJ or NYC.

If it holds then it gets very interesting..

My understanding as well. If passed everyone would need to be aware of this, as the current reciprocity bill wouldn't change that fact.

 

[LostinNJ]

Major Revision to Hudson Bill!!!!!

Friends,

I just had a back-and-forth with Kerry Picket of the Daily Caller. Here is a link to the newly revised bill:

https://hudson.house.gov/uploads/Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017.pdf

The new bill deletes the line that would have limited the reciprocal right to carry to non-residents.

a) Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any
9 State or political subdivision thereof (except as provided
10 in subsection (b)) and subject only to the requirements
11 of this section, a person who is not prohibited by Federal
12 law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving
13 a firearm, who is carrying a valid identification document
14 containing a photograph of the person, and who is car
15rying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant
16 to the law of a State and which permits the person to
17 carry a concealed firearm or is entitled to carry a con
18 cealed firearm in the State in which the person resides,
19 may possess or carry a concealed handgun (other than a
20 machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped
21 or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, in any
22 State that—

‘‘(1) has a statute under which residents of the
24 State may apply for a license or permit to carry a
25 concealed firearm; or
‘‘(2) does not prohibit the carrying of concealed
2 firearms by residents of the State for lawful pur
3poses.

This from Kerry of the Daily Caller:

​

I updated my first piece to address this issue. A congressional source told me this: "an individual from one of those states may obtain a non-resident CCP from a state that recognizes the right to carry. All CCP holders (whether resident or non-resident) still have to abide by all the laws of the state in which they are carrying concealed."

Here is a pull from her new story, posted today:

​

This would mean that even law abiding individuals who are residents in tough restrictive gun law states like Maryland, California, and New York, for example, can use a non-resident concealed carry permit from another state, like Utah, to conceal carry in their own state.

I am in New Jersey. If this language survives the bill's arduous journey, you folks in Maryland and myself in New Jersey will finally be able to carry in our own state.

 

[Schipperke]

Best first post ever..

 

[swinokur]

I agree. But I see a 10A challenge from Frosh or other May Issue states.almost immediately.

But it will be fun to watch the AG's and the heads at the MSP LD explode.

 

[rambling_one]

Best news I've heard in ages. Here's hoping this comes to fruition.

 

[Deep Thought]

I agree. But I see a 10A challenge from Frosh or other May Issue states.almost immediately.

But it will be fun to watch the AG's and the heads at the MSP LD explode.

How would that play out in the courts? It would be challenged on 10A grounds not 2A, right? So other than narrowly this law 2A interpretation wouldn't be adjusted? (Presuming it ended up in front of the supremes somewhere around 2022, or however long it takes.?)

 

[swinokur]

IANAL, but the states will make a 10A case, wile we make a 14A case. Equal protection may be the winner for our side. But I am a neophyte

Maybe one of the legal eagles can weigh in. Man this looks good to me.
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[CrueChief]

Friends,

I just had a back-and-forth with Kerry Picket of the Daily Caller. Here is a link to the newly revised bill:

https://hudson.house.gov/uploads/Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017.pdf

The new bill deletes the line that would have limited the reciprocal right to carry to non-residents.

a) Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any
9 State or political subdivision thereof (except as provided
10 in subsection (b)) and subject only to the requirements
11 of this section, a person who is not prohibited by Federal
12 law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving
13 a firearm, who is carrying a valid identification document
14 containing a photograph of the person, and who is car
15rying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant
16 to the law of a State and which permits the person to
17 carry a concealed firearm or is entitled to carry a con
18 cealed firearm in the State in which the person resides,
19 may possess or carry a concealed handgun (other than a
20 machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped
21 or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, in any
22 State that—

‘‘(1) has a statute under which residents of the
24 State may apply for a license or permit to carry a
25 concealed firearm; or
‘‘(2) does not prohibit the carrying of concealed
2 firearms by residents of the State for lawful pur
3poses.

This from Kerry of the Daily Caller:

​

I updated my first piece to address this issue. A congressional source told me this: "an individual from one of those states may obtain a non-resident CCP from a state that recognizes the right to carry. All CCP holders (whether resident or non-resident) still have to abide by all the laws of the state in which they are carrying concealed."

Here is a pull from her new story, posted today:

​

This would mean that even law abiding individuals who are residents in tough restrictive gun law states like Maryland, California, and New York, for example, can use a non-resident concealed carry permit from another state, like Utah, to conceal carry in their own state.

I am in New Jersey. If this language survives the bill's arduous journey, you folks in Maryland and myself in New Jersey will finally be able to carry in our own state.

So then it would be possible to have a restricted MD permit but choose to "carry" on a non-resident Utah permit.. interesting!

 

[j_h_smith]

If this bill is passed using these words, it's a win/win for all involved. As someone else mentioned, if it goes to appeal, the 14th would have more standing that the 10th in my opinion. Particularly once President Trump starts to fill the courts with his appointees. However the SCOTUS isn't an automatic win even after Trump's appointment. I believe we need 1 additional SC justice solidly on our side. Without that, I'm not sure how they would vote. Way too many mixed signals in the past.

 

[swinokur]

No guarantee it would even go to SCOTUS. The DC Circuit is the proper place to put more Trump appointees as well as SCOTUS. If a suit is filed over a Federal law, it will end up in the DC Circuit

 

[Stoveman]

Somewhere the Lone Ranger is weeping......