Rep. Hudson to introduce Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act

[Brooklyn]

Be careful what you wish for Gentleman, do you really want the Federal Government to be the issuing agency and therefore the "country's policeman" in keeping a registry of gun permit holders with
the ability to use that information for any purpose they, (another Obama Administration type or worse) deem necessary?? No thanks, this should be a State run proposal not a Federal.

Not required .

Meanwhile. Federal law still bans carry for prohibited persons..And gun free school zones..

NICS is federal... Period..


As long as we let the liberals use federal power while we pretend it's still 1930 we will loose. And we should.


Right now the federal power to regulate is unchallenged. No state permit ,or even constitutional Carry can provide a safe harbor against federal law. It's time to either repeal all federal gun control ( good luck) or walk it back so that it does not prohibit lawful exercise of the 2a.

 

[Brooklyn]

How will it be enforced? Are LEO expected to know which states are in compliance with the Fed law and which are not? This is starting to sound like Federal licensure. we don't want to go there.

I like the bill in it's current form but I'm sure many of the thngs discussed here will be raised.

You have to understand... We are already there..

A prohibited person under federal law is baned from possession... Including carrying.. no state can issue a permit contrary to that prohibition.. including constitutional Carry .. so can a federal Leo make an arrest for possession in a constitutional Carry state, assuming probable cause?

If yes then we already have federal carry regulation.. what we don't have is a safe harbor.

In a constitutional Carry state...Can you get arrested for violating the federal gun free school zone..If you don't have a permit from the state in which the school resides? Then we already have Federal mandated state issued permits.


It's not 1930...

We need a safe harbor from federal and state prosecution... Now

 

[Chauchat]

This isn't needed. The only thing that needs to be done is for Congress to pass a law defunding any state that infringes....period...As written this law will not affect Maryland's "May Issue" status and the state will not be forced to recognize the permit of any other state. Threaten to defund the state unless they remove all infringement is the way to go..

While I can agree with your idea on its surface this not how the republic works. The people of the fifty independent and sourviegn States of the American Union are free to create whatever law they want through their respective legislative bodies even if it infringes on the inalienable rights of the people. In this forums case it would be Annapolis. In New York it would be Albany and so on. It is up to the people to step up and demand such corrupt laws be repealed through their elected representatives.

The stick of defunding is based on some congressional program that either a State government or a subdivision of a State, such as a county, has entered into at some point in time in order to gain some type of "carrot" meaning money.

 

[press1280]

This isn't needed. The only thing that needs to be done is for Congress to pass a law defunding any state that infringes....period...As written this law will not affect Maryland's "May Issue" status and the state will not be forced to recognize the permit of any other state. Threaten to defund the state unless they remove all infringement is the way to go..

It will be forced to recognize other states permits-the bill provides for damages for those illegally charged. Now maybe right off the bat they'll try to mess with people.
But when the state (or county) has to keep paying damages over and over again it takes a toll. The smaller departments will stop enforcement first followed by the larger ones like the State police.

 

[Brooklyn]

Well sine the bill does not force home state changes, the 10A problem is moot.

Yes.. but the Bill will also not prevent MD from baning carry from out off state permit holders. A maze of restrictions is all that's required to make out of state permits moot.

The purpose of this bill is to protect the rest of America from MD and it's co-consprators.. once that's done we will be written off as a loss along with CA, NY, NJ parts of PA and VA etc..


We may get only one shot at this..

But it's good news for everyone else..

 

[Brooklyn]

It will be forced to recognize other states permits-the bill provides for damages for those illegally charged. Now maybe right off the bat they'll try to mess with people.
But when the state (or county) has to keep paying damages over and over again it takes a toll. The smaller departments will stop enforcement first followed by the larger ones like the State police.

Recognizing a permit is not the same as allowing effective carry. Just consider the posible restrictions... 1000 ft from a bar,school, library, bookstore with a children's section, daycare center, state or federal building, police station, and God knows what else..


Then we get to ammo restrictions

It's a good for the rest of America, but that's about it..

 

[press1280]

Recognizing a permit is not the same as allowing effective carry. Just consider the posible restrictions... 1000 ft from a bar,school, library, bookstore with a children's section, daycare center, state or federal building, police station, and God knows what else..


Then we get to ammo restrictions

It's a good for the rest of America, but that's about it..

That'll require a change in the existing law. The 1000 ft rule won't pass scrutiny because towns and cities would become de facto carry ban zones.

 

[AntiGun]

That'll require a change in the existing law. The 1000 ft rule won't pass scrutiny because towns and cities would become de facto carry ban zones.

even navigating the counties would be difficult with those kind of restrictions

The legal carry areas would be swiss cheese almost everywhere except the most rural areas.

 

[Deep Thought]

even navigating the counties would be difficult with those kind of restrictions

The legal carry areas would be swiss cheese almost everywhere except the most rural areas.

You mean like now?

 

[AntiGun]

You mean like now?

it's not even that good now in MD but you already know that

 

[Deep Thought]

it's not even that good now in MD but you already know that

Sadly all too well. Things are so non-uniform across localities (not just states) it's just too easy to run afoul of a law even if due research is conducted. Even as above many folks find it just too risky to carry despite having tried to obtain (in MD) or obtaining non-res permits. Even a permit leaves you with quite the minefield of lifetime prohibition and possibility of jailtime. It really shouldn't be that way - but you already know that too. (OK enough venting hah!)

 

[press1280]

Provided you had an unrestricted permit, I didn't think there were that many restricted areas in the state.

 

[swinokur]

compared to DC, we don't

Not that the list won't be expanded when out of state folks start carrying here.

 

[GlocksAndPatriots]

We really need a federal preemption statute prohibiting states and localities from making ANY laws with respect to guns.

 

[Vetted84]

We really need a federal preemption statute prohibiting states and localities from making ANY laws with respect to guns.

In my mind we have always had one. It's called the second amendment.

 

[swinokur]

me too. Seems pretty clear to me. Too bad the legislators and judges muddied the waters.

 

[Kharn]

Recognizing a permit is not the same as allowing effective carry. Just consider the posible restrictions... 1000 ft from a bar,school, library, bookstore with a children's section, daycare center, state or federal building, police station, and God knows what else..


Then we get to ammo restrictions

It's a good for the rest of America, but that's about it..

All prior iterations of national reciprocity bills included that an out-of-state permit must be treated as the least-restricted permit available in the visited state.

NYC would have to ban all carry or make NYC permits so useless that everyone would resort to hiring off-duty cops for protection before someone with a PA license could be prohibited from carrying in Times Square.

 

[swinokur]

that language seems to be omitted from the current version.

 

[Nobody]

How about an executive order saying "open carry legal everywhere" How long before permits started flying off the presses in states like MD, NY Cal ect...


NOBODY

 

[CrueChief]

How about an executive order saying "open carry legal everywhere" How long before permits started flying off the presses in states like MD, NY Cal ect...


NOBODY

Depends on how long this would be tied up in the courts.