Post 6/23/2022 MD Wear & Carry Permit Application
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No, they can't.
Per the ruling, they cannot require ANY reason for the ned of a Carry Permit.
Nothing related to a business
Nothing related to self defense/personal protection
Nothing at ALL
Worsley
I apologize for hurting your feelings!
What never made sense to me is that I always carry a ton of cash on me. All that’s needed is a bad man or woman with a gun to my head at an ATM machine. Why does being a business owner matter? I never understood the difference.
Morality is not an objective standard.
You may list BOTH.
The narrative has room for both reasons. You’re expected to upload a letter confirming your clearance, if your Security Manager gives you that.
Bertfish
Throw bread on me
You won me over
The General Assembly was interested in preventing theft from a business owner because such a loss would result in less TAXES paid.
If a private citizen is robbed, no tax revenue is lost.
That’s how they (MGA) see it.
Worsley
I apologize for hurting your feelings!
Sad.
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Good. They still need to comply with the law. I hope they figure it out quickly.
camo556
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I can only LOL at this nonsense. No court is going to accept any of these excuses, esp after CA and NJ are complying. The application plainly accepts "personal protection" as a choice.
They will have a really hard time (likely impossible) prosecuting people who have applied and decide **** it, the wait is too long- if they have the 16 hrs and they pass the background check. No judge is sending anyone to jail for not having the proper documentation of the right. I don't care how much BGOS is in this forum, it isn't happening. Shit, people don't get prosecuted now all the time. But don't take my word for it, the Bruen decision cites a long line of first amendment cases that stand for the proposition.
I am not encouraging people to do this, but I know someone is going to get the training, apply, and then carry without their little card, and then boom we are constitutional carry.
Hello, McFrosh, carry now a right.
They will have a really hard time (likely impossible) prosecuting people who have applied and decide **** it, the wait is too long- if they have the 16 hrs and they pass the background check. No judge is sending anyone to jail for not having the proper documentation of the right. I don't care how much BGOS is in this forum, it isn't happening. Shit, people don't get prosecuted now all the time. But don't take my word for it, the Bruen decision cites a long line of first amendment cases that stand for the proposition.
I am not encouraging people to do this, but I know someone is going to get the training, apply, and then carry without their little card, and then boom we are constitutional carry.
Hello, McFrosh, carry now a right.
Raineman
On the 3rd box
Yesterday, I found the least expensive class I could get in to even though I'm still on the fence about the expense. I called to ask some details and double check the price. In speaking to them, they were pretty adamant at applying as a business owner, which I do not want to do (even though I have followed SG's model). They were basically talking me out of applying any other way. Needless to say, not really interested in going there.
Neither is the need for references or an "interview".
There are three pages of qualified instructors in Carroll County on the MSP website.
Can any of these teach the 16 hour course?
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I wish I had the time and resources to be the test case.I can only LOL at this nonsense. No court is going to accept any of these excuses, esp after CA and NJ are complying. The application plainly accepts "personal protection" as a choice.
They will have a really hard time (likely impossible) prosecuting people who have applied and decide **** it, the wait is too long- if they have the 16 hrs and they pass the background check. No judge is sending anyone to jail for not having the proper documentation of the right. I don't care how much BGOS is in this forum, it isn't happening. Shit, people don't get prosecuted now all the time. But don't take my word for it, the Bruen decision cites a long line of first amendment cases that stand for the proposition.
I am not encouraging people to do this, but I know someone is going to get the training, apply, and then carry without their little card, and then boom we are constitutional carry.
Hello, McFrosh, carry now a right.
I signed up for this class: https://www.tacticaltrainingmd.com/book-a-class in Hampstead.
Geared Up in Westminster also offers training, but I wanted to exercise my rights one week earlier, so I booked the 7/9-7/10 class with Tactical. The instructor seems like a nice guy from the few times I've talked to him.
I agree. However, the Bruin brief repeats the phrase "citizens of good moral character" The CA AG letter repeats this phrase, even though Justice Thomas's decision clarifies that the constitution text as informed by history and tradition is the entire test. That's why I'd like to hear from my brothers and sisters who have gone through the process post Bruin. I can envision a eventuality where an individual MSP officer without specific guidance from the MD AG could interpret that quite broadly in their investigation. MSP isn't changing their investigator staff, and absent specific policies and procedures, they are likely to rely on muscle memory from doing investigations pre Bruin, looking for ways to insert restrictions on carry permits, based on the "reasons" listed in your application. For me any reason listed other than self defense is an invitation to continue inserting permit restrictions.
More specific questions to ponder:
1. What questions were asked in the inteview
2. Were references questioned? if so what were the questions
3. Were additional references solicited of the references given in the application?
3. What social media review and or discussion took place? (While I have no objections to investigating my background for criminal convictions, I am concerned about the state making character determinations based on free speech I exercised 3 years ago. If you're a hammer everything you see looks like a nail.)
Raineman
On the 3rd box
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