One in the chamber

[Blaster229]

Your threat isn't carrying empty, I guarantee that.

 

[Bountied]

Don't ya just love questions that have been asked and answered DOZENS of times?

I know I do!

 

[Michigander08]

One round in the chamber or no round in chamber? It's a choice and we have two camps.

However, I feel like it is high noon at the O.K. Corral and everyone are facing each other situation with these discussions. No one is using places to cover? So all the bad guys will just walk straight up to you directly where you have no time to rack the slide? If they sneak up behind you without your awareness, you are screwed too even with a round in the chamber.

 

[Michigander08]

I took Japanese sword classes for a short time. In the old days, some Samurai are trained to draw the sword and cut as fast as they can. They want to focus on one draw one cut to kill. So we can't have the same concept as one draw, rack, and shoot with pistol?

 

[Bountied]

One round in the chamber or no round in chamber? It's a choice and we have two camps.

However, I feel like it is high noon at the O.K. Corral and everyone are facing each other situation with these discussions. No one is using places to cover? So all the bad guys will just walk straight up to you directly where you have no time to rack the slide? If they sneak up behind you without your awareness, you are screwed too even with a round in the chamber.

I'd rather have a round in the chamber.

 

[hogarth]

I took Japanese sword classes for a short time. In the old days, some Samurai are trained to draw the sword and cut as fast as they can. They want to focus on one draw one cut to kill. So we can't have the same concept as one draw, rack, and shoot with pistol?

You literally added one more step than a samurai swordsman! Why do that?

 

[Blaster229]

So we can't have the same concept as one draw, rack, and shoot with pistol?

No. There cannot be. Prepare for worst case scenario. Having to shoot the threat with one hand.

You can have that camp of thinking if you want. You can do what you want. However, anyone carrying empty is in no way on the same level as those who do.

Why in the world would you want a threat to have a head start on you?? There might be a scenario you need to slow draw one handed while your other hand cannot move that would give away what you are doing.
Racking that slide when you have to be quiet can give you away.

People OVERTHINK their abilities. Because they have never trained those abilities. I have worked with Israelis who don't carry "Israeli".
Also, there is no guarantee that you will rack that slide fully so it goes into battery.

 

[erwos]

No. There cannot be. Prepare for worst case scenario. Having to shoot the threat with one hand.

You can have that camp of thinking if you want. You can do what you want. However, anyone carrying empty is in no way on the same level as those who do.

Why in the world would you want a threat to have a head start on you?? There might be a scenario you need to slow draw one handed while your other hand cannot move that would give away what you are doing.
Racking that slide when you have to be quiet can give you away.

People OVERTHINK their abilities. Because they have never trained those abilities. I have worked with Israelis who don't carry "Israeli".
Also, there is no guarantee that you will rack that slide fully so it goes into battery.

That last bit is key. People act as though racking one in is a foolproof procedure, and it is assuredly not in my experience.

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[Mark75H]

That last bit is key. People act as though racking one in is a foolproof procedure, and it is assuredly not in my experience.

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I agree in a panic/super stress situation. You could fail to pull the slide all the way back and not strip a cartridge from the magazine, or you could fail to bring the slide fully forward into battery and not know it.

Not knowing it is the worst part of all

 

[Blaster229]

I agree in a panic/super stress situation. You could fail to pull the slide all the way back and not strip a cartridge from the magazine, or you could fail to bring the slide fully forward into battery and not know it.

Not knowing it is the worst part of all

Only one way to eliminate that.

 

[Art3]

Only one way to eliminate that.

Revolver!

 

[Michigander08]

Revolver!

Anti-jam

 

[Blaster229]

Anti-jam

Nope.

 

[Stoveman]

 

[Mark75H]

Anti-jam

I have only had one student bring a gun to a class that had a failure solely caused by the gun. It was a revolver. (The semiauto failures were limp wristing, failure to engage grip safety, failure to properly seat magazine, failure to properly manipulate slide - operator errors.)

 

[redsandman6]

if you would have to fire from retention i cant see being able to rack the slide. i mean all you have to do is watch enough youtube videos of actual defensive gun usages to know there is very little time to react in most cases

 

[Biggfoot44]

I can run to cover with a loaded gun much better than shooting an unloaded gun .

 

[swinokur]

Here is a good point. I was taking my HK45c out of the holster and somehow hit the mag release. The mag fell to the floor. I carry with one in the chamber always. So if I didn’t and the same thing happened in a draw situation, I would have nothing to shoot.

One is better than none IMO

 

[Bountied]

Here is a good point. I was taking my HK45c out of the holster and somehow hit the mag release. The mag fell to the floor. I carry with one in the chamber always. So if I didn’t and the same thing happened, I would have nothing to shoot.

One is better than none IMO

That's another reason why I don't like the mag releases on most HKs.

 

[swinokur]

The point being that a chambered round is better than none, not the location of the mag release. Could also happen if a mag was not fully seated in any brand

I have had mags fall out on racking the slide in different guns than HK