O'Malley Predicts AWB Will Pass

[jonnyl]

I usually try to understand the other side in any disagreement. For example: while I disagree, I can see someone making the argument that a semi-automatic centerfire rifle and 30 round magazine make such a potentially dangerous combination that we should debate it. (again, I disagree with them)

BUT, where in the world do they really think a flash supressor, bayonette lug, and pistol grip come into play. Unless, they're really doing a Feinstein and looking through a catalog for the scary ones.

sheesh!!

 

[Hit and Run]

Possession with no grandfathering would be devastating to people who recently just purchased and gun ranges.

Will make many good and decent folks criminals.

 

[BenL]

Will make many good and decent folks criminals.

Or simply move out of state and take their tax base with them.

 

[sykesville]

Will make many good and decent folks criminals.

Or at least make them feel like criminals. Totally agree. It totally sucks. They have a lot of nerve.

 

[prmorin]

If they somehow do manage to pass a AWB in Maryland, does anyone have any estimates on what kind of timeline we would be looking at?

 

[erwos]

Yes, I agree that the proposition of making a lot of people into unwitting criminals might be what gets us grandfathered mags and guns. Definitely an argument that should be made if things don't go well.

If they somehow do manage to pass a AWB in Maryland, does anyone have any estimates on what kind of timeline we would be looking at?

End of the year, I'm guessing. Maybe October if they're feeling ungenerous. SB516 gave you until October to buy your gun, and until December to register it.

 

[mvee]

NO WIGGLE ROOM!!!! That is where we have lost something every time. In 1934 we gave a little and allowed certain firearms to be restricted by the NFA. In 1968 we allowed them to ban import of certain firearms and several other restrictions. In 1986 we lost the right to legally register new machine guns . In the 90's we were fighting this same battle, and we ultimately allowed the first AWB. It is time to take the NO COMPROMISE approach. If we give a little each time, we eventually loose it all. It is time to push no compromise and go on the offensive to repeal the bad laws on the books now. Make them compromise and loose for once.

I agree woth this. If we start talking about compromise it should be the other way around. If semi-automatic rifles are the problem, and need to be under the NFA, then they should open up the MG registry. That would be a real compromise because each side would give up something.

 

[prmorin]

Yes, I agree that the proposition of making a lot of people into unwitting criminals might be what gets us grandfathered mags and guns. Definitely an argument that should be made if things don't go well.


End of the year, I'm guessing. Maybe October if they're feeling ungenerous. SB516 gave you until October to buy your gun, and until December to register it.

Thanks for the insights, looks like I will at least have time to get another stripped lower in and registered.

 

[daNattyFatty]

If they somehow do manage to pass a AWB in Maryland, does anyone have any estimates on what kind of timeline we would be looking at?

All newly signed laws take effect in Maryland on Oct 1, unless it's considered an emergency bill, and takes immediate effect.

 

[Sportstud4891]

Or simply move out of state and take their tax base with them.

Wouldn't have to move unless they wanted to (and I would want to). Just have to get the firearms out of state.

 

[SigMatt]

I agree woth this. If we start talking about compromise it should be the other way around. If semi-automatic rifles are the problem, and need to be under the NFA, then they should open up the MG registry. That would be a real compromise because each side would give up something.

That's generous of you. I don't see that as a compromise but as a reach to destroy civilian firearms ownership. The irony is a government law, the Hughes Amendment to FOPA'86 closed off the MG registry. 22 years later in Heller, MGs weren't considered protected under the 2nd Amendment because they were dangerous and unusual and "not in common use".

So an act by the government, had it not been done, may have extended Constitutional protection to the one class of arms that were militia-worthy. But because they did it, it had the opposite effect.

Do you think semi-autos under the NFA would fare any better? Especially with a manufacturing ban and no legal transfers? How do you think hunters will feel when they find out their Remington 7400/750 requires NFA registration?

You looking forward to the multi-month background check, permanent registration, $200 tax stamp and government permission in advance to go shooting or hunting across state lines?

That's not a compromise. A more than century old technology is not the problem. Revolvers are semi-automatic. Most handguns are too.

The goal of NFA'ing semi-autos is destroy civilian gun ownership once and for all. To make it so onerous and fraught with legal risk (under the NFA, you're assumed in violation until you prove otherwise) that most people will simply turn them in or graciously allow the government to buy them back. How generous! The government using your tax money to bribe your property away from you. You're paying yourself for your own guns.

You're also assuming the bureaucracy tasked with administering the process will be playing above-board under this administration. I am not so charitable. They are after our destruction, nothing more.

No compromise.

Matt

 

[Weak_Hand_Only]

No compromise.

Matt

This

 

[Watkins87]

Possession with no grandfathering would be devastating to people who recently just purchased and gun ranges.

(Dec. 31st and waiting-purchased .223/5.56 DDv2)- and this is why I am sitting around looking like this -----> (-_-)

 

[Watkins87]

All newly signed laws take effect in Maryland on Oct 1, unless it's considered an emergency bill, and takes immediate effect.

So that means all recent buyers potentially have nothing to worry about till Oct 1st. , take all "AR's" apart and tell them all you have are parts? Perfect! lol

 

[clandestine]

So that means all recent buyers potentially have nothing to worry about till Oct 1st. , take all "AR's" apart and tell them all you have are parts? Perfect! lol

Disassembly dosent = deactivation.

 

[SWO Daddy]

That's generous of you. I don't see that as a compromise but as a reach to destroy civilian firearms ownership. The irony is a government law, the Hughes Amendment to FOPA'86 closed off the MG registry. 22 years later in Heller, MGs weren't considered protected under the 2nd Amendment because they were dangerous and unusual and "not in common use".

So an act by the government, had it not been done, may have extended Constitutional protection to the one class of arms that were militia-worthy. But because they did it, it had the opposite effect.

Do you think semi-autos under the NFA would fare any better? Especially with a manufacturing ban and no legal transfers? How do you think hunters will feel when they find out their Remington 7400/750 requires NFA registration?

You looking forward to the multi-month background check, permanent registration, $200 tax stamp and government permission in advance to go shooting or hunting across state lines?

That's not a compromise. A more than century old technology is not the problem. Revolvers are semi-automatic. Most handguns are too.

The goal of NFA'ing semi-autos is destroy civilian gun ownership once and for all. To make it so onerous and fraught with legal risk (under the NFA, you're assumed in violation until you prove otherwise) that most people will simply turn them in or graciously allow the government to buy them back. How generous! The government using your tax money to bribe your property away from you. You're paying yourself for your own guns.

You're also assuming the bureaucracy tasked with administering the process will be playing above-board under this administration. I am not so charitable. They are after our destruction, nothing more.

No compromise.

Matt

This.

 

[AKbythebay]

I wasn't arguing for compromise. Was just saying that with a Dem Gov, Dem Senate, Dem House, and tons of momentum right now that ARE going to pass some sort of gun control measure this session. Since the Republicans have no means to block such legislation in this state, they can do their best to limit the damage and focus on aspects of the coming bill that can be challenged. I firmly believe an AWB will pass this session, but what make up that bill will have is how the minority will effect the outcome. Remember, the Dems in MD don't need ANY republican support at all to pass whatever they want and they could go for a NY style bill if they want. It's pressure from us and moderate legislators that will hopefully prevent that level of new law

 

[Victory or Death]

That's generous of you. I don't see that as a compromise but as a reach to destroy civilian firearms ownership. The irony is a government law, the Hughes Amendment to FOPA'86 closed off the MG registry. 22 years later in Heller, MGs weren't considered protected under the 2nd Amendment because they were dangerous and unusual and "not in common use".

So an act by the government, had it not been done, may have extended Constitutional protection to the one class of arms that were militia-worthy. But because they did it, it had the opposite effect.

Do you think semi-autos under the NFA would fare any better? Especially with a manufacturing ban and no legal transfers? How do you think hunters will feel when they find out their Remington 7400/750 requires NFA registration?

You looking forward to the multi-month background check, permanent registration, $200 tax stamp and government permission in advance to go shooting or hunting across state lines?

That's not a compromise. A more than century old technology is not the problem. Revolvers are semi-automatic. Most handguns are too.

The goal of NFA'ing semi-autos is destroy civilian gun ownership once and for all. To make it so onerous and fraught with legal risk (under the NFA, you're assumed in violation until you prove otherwise) that most people will simply turn them in or graciously allow the government to buy them back. How generous! The government using your tax money to bribe your property away from you. You're paying yourself for your own guns.

You're also assuming the bureaucracy tasked with administering the process will be playing above-board under this administration. I am not so charitable. They are after our destruction, nothing more.

No compromise.

Matt

agreed, you don't compromise with someone trying to rob you right?

 

[Watkins87]

Disassembly dosent = deactivation.

I know, just being an "*******" as "NY's" will state in their newspapers

 

[mvee]

I am in total agreement within you, mpickering. We have been "compromising" much in the past but it hasn't really been a compromise. In the past they have asked us for a foot, and we said no, then they said ok compromise and give us six inches. It was not a compromise because we did all the giving in.