Obozo Announcing his New Executives Orders for Gun Control - With Trusts Targetted

[fabsroman]

Other Trustees can, BUT if the Trust is worded properly it should state that disqualified Trustees, either by criminal disqualifiers, or mental incapacity are inelligible to serve as a Trustee should meet any standards.

NFA examiners are paying attention, in the past month the NFA Branch has ki led back 3 NFA Trusts at the shop I work at. All of them were completed by Attorneys who draft NFA Trusts. They were minor errors that NFA will allow correction but they never did this in the past.

Do all Trustees of the NFA trust go through a background check when they become a Trustee?

 

[fabsroman]

It's pretty sad. I can't wait for his term to be over. From what we've all seen, it seems the most hes done in his term is attack the 2A. Any way he can.

Come on now, he has done more than that. He has used the National credit card like nobody else and left the economy a mess for 5 years. Granted, it took 30+ years to get the economy here, so I gave him some slack the first couple years. However, to leave it the way it is and focus on all this other BS is just ridiculous. Either his priorities are completely screwed up or he has absolutely no idea how to get the economy going again.

The stuff I have been reading that will occur once Quantitative Easing ends is not pretty. Mortgage rates around 7%. Can only imagine what consumer credit rates will be at. Imagine what will happen to home prices and consumer spending. Granted, I think home prices are still too high. Problem is, letting them decline so quickly really hurts the economy (see 2008).

 

[clandestine]

Do all Trustees of the NFA trust go through a background check when they become a Trustee?

No, only the Trustee who picks up the NFA Item has a 4473 run on them.

 

[fabsroman]

No, only the Trustee who picks up the NFA Item has a 4473 run on them.

How do they ensure that other trustees, that would have access to the firearms, are not prohibited?

 

[sleev-les]

Well, if every one of those 5 million members owns 60 guns, that gets you to 300 million guns. Probably not the case, but I can assure you there are lots of Americans that own more than one gun.

Come on now.. I know that.. Hell, I have more than 1 haha.. Point is we all know that there are a lot of people that sit back and say "it doesn't affect me" or they just don't care.. Throughout this whole mess, I seem to remember multiple comments along this line.. My intent was just to state that everyone needs to be in this, but that is wishful thinking. I think its awesome that this forum has so many people that are in this fight

Come on now, he has done more than that. He has used the National credit card like nobody else and left the economy a mess for 5 years. Granted, it took 30+ years to get the economy here, so I gave him some slack the first couple years. However, to leave it the way it is and focus on all this other BS is just ridiculous. Either his priorities are completely screwed up or he has absolutely no idea how to get the economy going again.

The stuff I have been reading that will occur once Quantitative Easing ends is not pretty. Mortgage rates around 7%. Can only imagine what consumer credit rates will be at. Imagine what will happen to home prices and consumer spending. Granted, I think home prices are still too high. Problem is, letting them decline so quickly really hurts the economy (see 2008).

I was trying not to get even more pissed off

 

[sleev-les]

How do they ensure that other trustees, that would have access to the firearms, are not prohibited?

I'm new to the whole trust thing, but I believe its that the trustee has the responsibility to not allow a prohibited person the use of the items (or even put them on as an alternate trustee (hopefully I worded that right). Kind of like selling a ftf non reg firearm. Not saying thats a good thing, but I'm the only trustee on mine.

 

[Ab_Normal]

I was under the same impression. Look, if people can circumvent the background check on a machine gun or SBR by using a trust, I think that is an issue that needs to be addressed. Granted, I have yet to see a machine gun, SBR, etc. used in a mass shooting, but I surely do not want the first one I see to be at my kids' school.

Rusty should know the answer to this one.

The whole trust thing was figured out as a way to circumvent CLEO's who were personally hostile to NFA firearms that were perfectly legal otherwise.

I have a better idea, why don't we do away with the unconstitutional NFA.

 

[sleev-les]

I have a better idea, why don't we do away with the unconstitutional NFA.

You mean........wait for it.......... actually be able to get suppressors, MG's, and SBR's without asking permission from god? That would be way too logical

 

[clandestine]

How do they ensure that other trustees, that would have access to the firearms, are not prohibited?

The Trust is worded to prohibit those who are inelligible from being Trustees.

 

[6-Pack]

Like I tell my clients: there are no "loopholes" or "circumventing the law" because those are just fancy terms for "following the letter of the law as written" by someone who disagrees with the law.

No wonder Doomsday Preppers is so popular!

 

[NattyBoh]

So what happens to current trusts and items on them

 

[Hopalong]

The Trust is worded to prohibit those who are inelligible from being Trustees.

I had several chats with folks on Twitter yesterday (both against and in favor of these new EOs) and the common thread was that none of them knew how trusts and NFA purchases actually worked. So many people thought that any Joe Schmoe could just walk into a gun shop and walk out with a gun (not even knowing what kind of gun) with this magical, background-check-less trust.


It's sad that people are getting so excited, or up in arms, about something that they have no clue about. Pity.

 

[Ab_Normal]

You mean........wait for it.......... actually be able to get suppressors, MG's, and SBR's without asking permission from god? That would be way too logical

Actually, we have already been acknowledged the permission - 'endowed by their Creator'.

And no I am not necessarily advocating unfettered access. But having to specifically ask permission, and having to pay a tax on, and having to wait several months to exercise that right are all unconstitutional infringements. Even my pre-teen son has told me that after talking with some of his friends. He said he wants to move to Pa. when he goes out on his own because they aren't as tyrannical as Md.

 

[Ab_Normal]

Like I tell my clients: there are no "loopholes" or "circumventing the law" because those are just fancy terms for "following the letter of the law as written" by someone who disagrees with the law.

No wonder Doomsday Preppers is so popular!

The idiots who come up with these terms only do so to try and cast those who are smarter than them in a poor light.

 

[teratos]

The Trust is worded to prohibit those who are inelligible from being Trustees.

I am not sure that mine is. What did the people who had theirs kicked back have to do? Did they have to re-write the whole trust, or were they able to do some sort of addendum?

 

[sleev-les]

Actually, we have already been acknowledged the permission - 'endowed by their Creator'.

And no I am not necessarily advocating unfettered access. But having to specifically ask permission, and having to pay a tax on, and having to wait several months to exercise that right are all unconstitutional infringements. Even my pre-teen son has told me that after talking with some of his friends. He said he wants to move to Pa. when he goes out on his own because they aren't as tyrannical as Md.

I know what you mean man... Hence my part...... We all know they they infringe on our rights any chance they get.

 

[Ab_Normal]

I know what you mean man... Hence my part...... We all know they they infringe on our rights any chance they get.

Only if you let them. But I am in no way advocating not following their unconstitutional laws. Everyone's level of tolerance is different. I liken it to a pedestrian having the right of way in a crosswalk - sure that speeding car 'shouldn't' hit you but you better be prepared to let it have the right of way if you aren't willing to deal with the consequences.

 

[pwoolford]

How do they ensure that other trustees, that would have access to the firearms, are not prohibited?

To me this is the same as not loaning your handgun to a prohibited person. Nothing physically stops you from doing it but you just don't do it.

I used a trust because it makes passing ownership easier. Important when you look at the price of MG these days. I seriously doubt thugs are lining up to use trusts to legally purchase machine guns (at 10k+) so they can list felon friends of theirs on the trust so they can go commit crime with the MG. I think they would just steal one....sure beats waiting 9 months so they can go on their crime spree.

Facts and common sense mean nothing to the socialist regime in control of the USA these days!

 

[Ab_Normal]

To me this is the same as not loaning your handgun to a prohibited person. Nothing physically stops you from doing it but you just don't do it.

I used a trust because it makes passing ownership easier. Important when you look at the price of MG these days. I seriously doubt thugs are lining up to use trusts to legally purchase machine guns (at 10k+) so they can list felon friends of theirs on the trust so they can go commit crime with the MG. I think they would just steal one....sure beats waiting 9 months so they can go on their crime spree.

Facts and common sense mean nothing to the socialist regime in control of the USA these days!

Sure they do. Never lose sight of the real purpose behind their efforts. They use them to further try to restrict the rights of their opponents and garner more supporters so when their Ponzi schemes come crashing down it may mean less of a fight to retain control over the people.

 

[fabsroman]

Come on now.. I know that.. Hell, I have more than 1 haha.. Point is we all know that there are a lot of people that sit back and say "it doesn't affect me" or they just don't care.. Throughout this whole mess, I seem to remember multiple comments along this line.. My intent was just to state that everyone needs to be in this, but that is wishful thinking. I think its awesome that this forum has so many people that are in this fight



I was trying not to get even more pissed off

You missed those that think they can just ride the coattails of everybody already in the fight. They just figure "the other guys will take care of this for me".

Hey, I'm just here keeping it real about our President. I really do believe a lot of what our politicians argue over is complete BS and just a smoke screen to avoid the larger issues that actually take some serious thinking, blood, sweat, and tears to actually fix. How can they ever reduce the national debt? Right now, it is more than a complete year of GDP. If they taxed everybody in the nation at 100% and did not spend anything for that year, then it could be paid down. Oh yeah, if you add in the future liability for medicare/medicaid/social security, you are looking at something between 80 trillion and 100 trillion over the next 30 years. The medicare/medicaid/social security liability is not listed on the federal balance sheet. Looks like the only way to get through that is to cut benefits and raise taxes. Fun times for everybody down the road.