Obozo Announcing his New Executives Orders for Gun Control - With Trusts Targetted

[MadCat0911]

Thank you for actually answering his questions, while not going off on some massive irrational rant that doesn't remotely answer anything. (See page one)

These were my questions as well. I know very little about the trust process and was wondering the same as Robert.

From the article this will just end up ruining C&R in general but parts kits (AK47s) will be fine. I didn't read the EO just the OP, time to get reading.

If I read it correctly, it'll only hurt C&R of American made weapons. It doesn't hurt imports of foreign made weapons. (Not that those don't have their own hoops to go through).

 

[lkenefic]

If I read it correctly, it'll only hurt C&R of American made weapons. It doesn't hurt imports of foreign made weapons. (Not that those don't have their own hoops to go through).

That's how I read it too. The only people really affected are the collectors of WWII-era rifles and pistols being imported into the US... I wonder when was the last drive by perpetrated with an M1 Garand or a Schmidt-Rubin 1911....

 

[jpk1md]

That's how I read it too. The only people really affected are the collectors of WWII-era rifles and pistols being imported into the US... I wonder when was the last drive by perpetrated with an M1 Garand or a Schmidt-Rubin 1911....

Its even narrower than that.....it bans the RE-importation of US made military firearms

Doesn't apply to anything but US made

 

[ryan_j]

What exactly is the purpose of this action again? A photo op with gabby giffords?

 

[Joseph87']

Guess he needed a distraction from Syria.

Yeah and a few other topics. Seems like disarmament is an agenda which to me means they already pissed away out future and know someday soon other countries will want what we borrowed back.. Geez this guy needs to worry about they debt limit and why the treasury won't raise the number we owe since mid may. How do you defend a country if you can't pay troops come October...

 

[StantonCree]

If I read it correctly, it'll only hurt C&R of American made weapons. It doesn't hurt imports of foreign made weapons. (Not that those don't have their own hoops to go through).

That's how I read it too. The only people really affected are the collectors of WWII-era rifles and pistols being imported into the US... I wonder when was the last drive by perpetrated with an M1 Garand or a Schmidt-Rubin 1911....

You are correct it does say REimport in the articles

 

[jpo183]

On what planet has a corporately owned NFA weapon EVER been used in a crime? When we find that planet, I'm sure thugs everywhere will be jacking people up with imported M1 Garands.

Well you know all these criminal types have Harvard degree's and incorporate fictitious companies to by pass taxes.............

 

[swinokur]

From CCRKBA:

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OBAMA’S BAN ON SURPLUS RELICS REVEALS
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[FONT=&quot]BELLEVUE, WA – Barack Obama’s new strategy for attacking gun owners specifically targets collectors and competitors by blocking returns of surplus military rifles over six decades old, and reveals his extremist anti-gun attitude, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms said today.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] The president’s new gun control measures, announced today by Vice President Joe Biden, will prevent the recovery of thousands of military-surplus M-1 Garand rifles that are valued by collectors, competitors and historic reenactors. These firearms were loaned or donated to South Korea decades ago.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] “This is an outrage,” said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb, “and the only people being hurt are law-abiding citizens. If there were any doubt about the level of anti-gun extremism in the Obama administration, this announcement just put those doubts to rest.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] There is pending legislation, H.R. 2247, the “Collectible Firearms Protection Act” sponsored by Rep. Cynthia Lummis (R-WY) that would prevent this, he noted.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] This new prohibition will have far-reaching effects on all kinds of curio and relic firearms. Such firearms have considerable historic significance and value to American firearms aficionados, and there is no evidence that such firearms have ever been favored by criminals.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] “American gun owners can kiss goodbye any notions that they might see some moderate, reasonable movement on gun issues from this administration,” Gottlieb stated. “And Joe Biden is likely to have real trouble pandering himself as a reasonable gun owner when he decides to run for president in 2016, because gun owners will not forget his involvement in this prohibition.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] “This ruling also sends a message to the firearms industry, and particularly importers, that this administration cannot be trusted,” he added. “The president is taking out his frustration for being unable to pass his gun control agenda, and the only people who will suffer are citizens who would never break the law with any of these firearms. Punishing innocent people may be the Chicago way, but it’s not the American way, or the way an American president ought to lead.”[/FONT]
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[MJD438]

Guess I better start the order process with CMP tomorrow...dammit, too many things pushing me to go into debt to get stuff before it is banned. Now, to decide between the Service Grade and the Special Grade...

 

[Ab_Normal]

Clearly outside the authority of POTUS. Too bad the media doesn't give a sh!t about laws governing checks and balances.

Can anyone spell Declaration of Independence?

FIFY.

 

[swinokur]

Guess I better start the order process with CMP tomorrow...dammit, too many things pushing me to go into debt to get stuff before it is banned. Now, to decide between the Service Grade and the Special Grade...

I don't think CMP is affected by this. Their Garands come directly from the Govt. IIRC

 

[MadCat0911]

I don't think CMP is affected by this. Their Garands come directly from the Govt. IIRC

Correct, per their facebook page, this doesn't affect them in the least.

Though, it does mean a lot of M1s won't come in and help lower prices and that current M1 prices will probably rise out of panic.

 

[MJD438]

Correct, per their facebook page, this doesn't affect them in the least.

Though, it does mean a lot of M1s won't come in and help lower prices and that current M1 prices will probably rise out of panic.

This is my concern at the moment. HRA SG is already $625, HRA Special @ $950, and S&A Special @ $995.

 

[Drmsparks]

CMP not affected. The EO is aimed at PRIVATE re-importation of us made rifles.

the CMP gets MAP (military assistance program) returns. Guns that we gave our allies to fight the heathen commies. CMP pays postage. The guns are returned to the army, the army gives them to CMP for resale.

There is nothing in this that will raise garand prices. CMP sets the market, all others follow with heavy markups.

CMP is running low although they have a line into Turkey I believe which had a few hundred thousand laying around. Iran has a buttload as well, but I don't think they will be giving them back anytime soon.

The downside is carbines. Most of those we know about were purchased by allies and only make their way back in through importers. Not many MAP carbines left out there.

What we need to watch is EVERY year for the last 30 years the army has been trying to get a budget line item in allowing them to destroy the guns instead of giving them to CMP.

John Murtha used to strip that from appropriations every year. I'm not sure who took over for him but someone is looking out for us.

The other existing bad EO is Bush II's one that made barrels not importable.

If we get a R president who cares we can get both of those reversed pretty easily

The bright side is this is mainly aimed at the south korean garands (rode hard and put away wet). They would make awesome parts kits though giving us supplies for maintenance for years to come. They are in such crappy condition that they would have made lousy rifles anyway. Hopefully those will come in as parts.

 

[casualmadness]

What exactly is the purpose of this action again? A photo op with gabby giffords?

The purpose is to bitch slap firearms owners of all stripes. He didn't get his "assault weapons" ban so he wants to do anything and everything he can to screw us. It honestly scares me to think about what else these POS's in DC are planning.

 

[sleev-les]

The purpose is to bitch slap firearms owners of all stripes. He didn't get his "assault weapons" ban so he wants to do anything and everything he can to screw us. It honestly scares me to think about what else these POS's in DC are planning.

It's pretty sad. I can't wait for his term to be over. From what we've all seen, it seems the most hes done in his term is attack the 2A. Any way he can.

 

[abean4187]

Aren't the majority of these weapons bolt action? Last time I checked, hammers kill more people that bolt action rifles per yer.

 

[fabsroman]

"Sooner or later, we are going to get this right," Obama said.

Never mind what the people want.

Sooner or later, I hope he gets the economy right. It still isn't right. Sooner or later, they will get ACA ("Affordable Care Act") right, but why not postpone it for a year by executive order.

Sooner or later, they will get education right, but not during Obama's Presidency such that he can feel right about sending his girls to DC public schools.

 

[fabsroman]

From the article;

"loophole that lets felons and others circumvent background checks by registering guns to corporations."



Educate me please.I somewhat understand the NFA process with respect to trusts,but aren't the names listed on the trust still subject to background check/approval of some sort?

I was under the same impression. Look, if people can circumvent the background check on a machine gun or SBR by using a trust, I think that is an issue that needs to be addressed. Granted, I have yet to see a machine gun, SBR, etc. used in a mass shooting, but I surely do not want the first one I see to be at my kids' school.

Rusty should know the answer to this one.

 

[fabsroman]

Our biggest problem is our own. Each and every gun owner needs to get off their ass and start donating to the cause and voting. If the NRA has 5mil members, yet there are 300mil guns, then there shows you a little idea of whats happening. They do it because they have been allowed to get away with it.. That needs to stop.

Well, if every one of those 5 million members owns 60 guns, that gets you to 300 million guns. Probably not the case, but I can assure you there are lots of Americans that own more than one gun.