Obama wants to outlaw guns in 2nd term

[boricuamaximus]

^ Yeah, cause that has always worked.

Fine then. Vote for Paul.

We can just make a gentleman's pact that you will not bitch about the bans that get passed and I wont do snyde remarks about voting on principle to you.

 

[Norton]

Is there information on MSI? Information for contacting our reps? Thanks for the heads-up.

Latest Update is here:

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=75545

Another is in the works, but right now I'm literally having trouble keeping up with the bills as they are coming faster than I can even read them.

 

[Markp]

So if the crazy old coot can't win **** everything else. Smart, real smart.

"Crazy old coot"??? Did you get that from MSNBC?

 

[EL1227]

Maybe there is something to this thread afterall ...

Looking back on this link from TheHill.com dated Dec 23, 2011 ...

Obama says he won't be bound by gun-control ban in omnibus

The funding provision for the federal Health agency says that "none of the funds made available in this title may be used, in whole or in part, to advocate or promote gun control."

I would say that there is more than meets the eye considering the amount of 'anti' gun legislation being proposed here in the PRofMD and possible coordination with the Obama adminstration. Maybe my tinfoil hat is slipping, but it sure seems like it's been coming out of the woodwork.

So, riddle me this ... Are there always this many new bills brought up during 'gun week' in NapTown or am I such a newbie at this that I'm a bit overwhelmed.

 

[BlackBart]

"Crazy old coot"??? Did you get that from MSNBC?

Ever look at his foreign policies or lack there of? Yes, crazy senile old coot and then some. That being said I would still vote for him over Bobo, put that in the common sense department.

 

[GNLaFrance]

I scanned the thread and picked up a couple of points, none of which has stuck to my mind except the one about Congress not allowing our guns to be taken away, or words to that effect.

Gentlemen, and ladies, there are only two people responsible for making sure we keep our guns; they are thee and me, and as far as I'm aware, neither of us is, or is likely to become, a member of Congress.

Whenever I hear or read someone saying "they will do this" or "won't allow that" or some such thing, I cringe, because it is exactly that attitude, the one that thinks someone else is going to ride in like the John Ford cavalry, that is responsible for much of the cesspool we find ourselves standing in now.

Waiting for Congress to act and expecting it to do so with our best interests in mind, is beyond foolish. Congress isn't going to do jack shit for us unless we make it damn clear that it would be in the best interest of Congress to listen to us. The word is proactive and the goal is to put the literal fear of the wrath of God into them.

And now that I feel a real, old-time Biblical, fire-and-brimstone RANT coming on, it's time to close. Gotta go eat, anyway.

 

[Lightning]

I guess all of you Libtards that vote Democrat...and think that you can still be pro 2A...are wrong! Wow, who could have seen that coming?

That's Funny....... Those who can't see this coming must be the same people that keep reelecting our present Governor and members of the State Legislature… as long as Obama and the current Federal and State officials remain in Office we will continue to lose our Liberties. At this point we should not be voting based on a political party, but for those individuals who will respect our liberties and our individual rights. This should be at all levels of our Government….

Anybody but Obama.......

 

[jpk1md]

1. Even Obama isn't going to outright challenge 2A
2. SCOTUS isn't going to revisit Heller/Etc

Would Obama attempt to do some outright draconian stuff?

Sure but for him to do attempt a full frontal assault on 2A isn't going to happen.....the backlash against Dems will be absolutely unbelievable.

 

[Ruzo]

you want my thoughts?? Here we go, its a Longie...The first thing to come to mind on this topic is, the age old story about disarming the public for a safer world. That being said, I will return to the same old sarcastic reply we all know the criminals will be first in line to turn in their weapons...Right That will Happen. The next thing that comes to mind is the furthering of the Civil disrest. Face it at some point, the "Try Hard" Survivalist will say "that's it, I've had enough". And, so another David Karesh will rise, and Again a Bad Light will be Shown Upon the gun enthusiast community. I by no means am a "woods hiding compound" gun nut. But I truly believe in the Right to Bear Arms, and am willing to Fight for said right. If you try to take away some ones means to Protect their family, Livelyhood and such, your no better then the Criminal Thieves we read about every day. In the point that you have Stolen some thing from Us. I feel I must say though, that I am not preaching anarchy or a call to arms for a civil war. What I am saying, is this Country that I Truly Love was founded on the Freedom to be who you are Love the God of your choice, and wake up every day knowing that Good People have Died to give Us the Right to Choose. If You choose to be unarmed, that's your Right, if You choose to exercise your right to bear arms that Should be allowed with out the persecution many of us feel.
Sorry so Long of a post. Just kinda hit home, the thought of not being able to protect my Love ones scares me. What I really ment to say was "what ever"...

 

[RobMoore]

Fine then. Vote for Paul.

We can just make a gentleman's pact that you will not bitch about the bans that get passed and I wont do snyde remarks about voting on principle to you.

Let's both agree to do more than bitch.

 

[SkunkWerX]

Congress and Senate would have to be complicit in any new laws, anti-gun, or anti-bubblegum.

But, as a 2nd termer, what "could" Obama do? He could use Executive Orders.
They are real, they carry weight. How long does it take to declare an EO Unconstitutional? What damage can be done in the meantime?

Let's just say "O" gets a 2nd term? In a not-so-tinfoilish manner he issues and EO that states, "Importation of ammunition is banned from any nation that does not maintain xx level of human rights, as defined by the UN." ....or for any other reason they can conjure up.

Kiss all of your imported 7.62x39 bye-bye.
Also no more PRVI, no more Aguila....

The Progressives KNOW that guns need bullets. Remember the EPA tried to outright ban Lead? That was early in his 1st term.

Point being, even if the GOP holds a majority in both houses, the president, whether it be "O" or RumKnee, can still wield some power all by themselves.

 

[MDFF2008]

Here's a novel idea:

The election is in November

Sin Die of the Maryland Assembly is before May.

There's plenty of time between May and November to fight this pointless uroboros about Obama's 2nd term and Mitt and Ron Paul and such.

Let's focus for the next month or so on Maryland's gun laws, and let's cut the self fulfilling prophecies.

 

[Boom Boom]

We need to minimize the damage by voting out the current and waiting till 2016 until someone that's decent runs.

Despite various opinions here, mine included, the above statement should be incredibly obvious to everyone viewing this thread. Whoever gets the Republican nomination will need our vocal support and our vote, regardless of whether we consider that person the best candidate or not, regardless of whatever baggage the person has. There are times to take a stand and vote third party or write-in. This coming November will in no way whatsoever be one of those times.

 

[hvymax]

Here's a novel idea:

The election is in November

Sin Die of the Maryland Assembly is before May.

There's plenty of time between May and November to fight this pointless uroboros about Obama's 2nd term and Mitt and Ron Paul and such.

Let's focus for the next month or so on Maryland's gun laws, and let's cut the self fulfilling prophecies.

See you there.

 

[todbiker]

another middle of the road guy

I don't agree with the current Presidents gun control views, but I did vote for him and more than likely will vote for him again the second term. If he loses this election, he could use his executive powers to throw a few parting shots like most of his predicessors, hopefully he won't do anything drastic with the 2A for the mere chance he could come back for another term at a later date, not having exhausted his 2 term limit. Regardless he is a man of conviction whether you agree with his health care legislation or not. Anyone who knows a person that has experienced a severe illness like cancer can appreciate health care that doesn't exclude you for having a pre existing condition. We're all required to have car insurance, why not give everyone access to health care. I keep my NRA membership active and try and contact local representatives when Md. gun legislation is involved. The NRA is much like a labor union, it's there to protect it's members rights, but where there's a lot of money, there's an interest in keeping it rolling in and keeping the board members in clover. Fear does equal money for those willing to exploit the situation like the NRA or a newspaper trying to keep it's readership up. With regards to the Supreme Court, we were all screwed when they decided to recognize the rights of corporations over people.

 

[oldman12]

Anyone that thinks the dictator in chief wont abolish or out right start confiscation of all firearms really has more faith in him than they should.

First term, socialist health care, Project Fast and Furious,an all out war against anyone that wants to make money without government help, total separation of race,class, and war on religion.

He has shown his Socialist side in 3 years. We will see the true side his 2nd or more terms FASCISIM. Read his book. look at his friends.

 

[oldman12]

I don't agree with the current Presidents gun control views, but I did vote for him and more than likely will vote for him again the second term. If he loses this election, he could use his executive powers to throw a few parting shots like most of his predicessors, hopefully he won't do anything drastic with the 2A for the mere chance he could come back for another term at a later date, not having exhausted his 2 term limit. Regardless he is a man of conviction whether you agree with his health care legislation or not. Anyone who knows a person that has experienced a severe illness like cancer can appreciate health care that doesn't exclude you for having a pre existing condition. We're all required to have car insurance, why not give everyone access to health care. I keep my NRA membership active and try and contact local representatives when Md. gun legislation is involved. The NRA is much like a labor union, it's there to protect it's members rights, but where there's a lot of money, there's an interest in keeping it rolling in and keeping the board members in clover. Fear does equal money for those willing to exploit the situation like the NRA or a newspaper trying to keep it's readership up. With regards to the Supreme Court, we were all screwed when they decided to recognize the rights of corporations over people.

WOW, Really

 

[DeadIDik]

I don't agree with the current Presidents gun control views, but I did vote for him and more than likely will vote for him again the second term. If he loses this election, he could use his executive powers to throw a few parting shots like most of his predicessors, hopefully he won't do anything drastic with the 2A for the mere chance he could come back for another term at a later date, not having exhausted his 2 term limit. Regardless he is a man of conviction whether you agree with his health care legislation or not. Anyone who knows a person that has experienced a severe illness like cancer can appreciate health care that doesn't exclude you for having a pre existing condition. We're all required to have car insurance, why not give everyone access to health care. I keep my NRA membership active and try and contact local representatives when Md. gun legislation is involved. The NRA is much like a labor union, it's there to protect it's members rights, but where there's a lot of money, there's an interest in keeping it rolling in and keeping the board members in clover. Fear does equal money for those willing to exploit the situation like the NRA or a newspaper trying to keep it's readership up. With regards to the Supreme Court, we were all screwed when they decided to recognize the rights of corporations over people.

Owning and driving a car is a choice, you arent born with a license and keys. Why should i pay for everyone else because i live in this country? Why should i pay a penalty for choosing to not want insurance? What if having insurance is against my religion? I guess being free means different things to different people. Some people seem to think what happens out in the world doesnt matter as long as they have internet access, a free meal, and a free cell phone.

 

[BlackBart]

I don't agree with the current Presidents gun control views, but I did vote for him and more than likely will vote for him again the second term. If he loses this election, he could use his executive powers to throw a few parting shots like most of his predicessors, hopefully he won't do anything drastic with the 2A for the mere chance he could come back for another term at a later date, not having exhausted his 2 term limit. Regardless he is a man of conviction whether you agree with his health care legislation or not. Anyone who knows a person that has experienced a severe illness like cancer can appreciate health care that doesn't exclude you for having a pre existing condition. We're all required to have car insurance, why not give everyone access to health care. I keep my NRA membership active and try and contact local representatives when Md. gun legislation is involved. The NRA is much like a labor union, it's there to protect it's members rights, but where there's a lot of money, there's an interest in keeping it rolling in and keeping the board members in clover. Fear does equal money for those willing to exploit the situation like the NRA or a newspaper trying to keep it's readership up. With regards to the Supreme Court, we were all screwed when they decided to recognize the rights of corporations over people.

Middle of the road? You're left of Mao.

 

[MDFF2008]

I don't agree with the current Presidents gun control views, but I did vote for him and more than likely will vote for him again the second term. If he loses this election, he could use his executive powers to throw a few parting shots like most of his predicessors, hopefully he won't do anything drastic with the 2A for the mere chance he could come back for another term at a later date, not having exhausted his 2 term limit. Regardless he is a man of conviction whether you agree with his health care legislation or not. Anyone who knows a person that has experienced a severe illness like cancer can appreciate health care that doesn't exclude you for having a pre existing condition. We're all required to have car insurance, why not give everyone access to health care. I keep my NRA membership active and try and contact local representatives when Md. gun legislation is involved. The NRA is much like a labor union, it's there to protect it's members rights, but where there's a lot of money, there's an interest in keeping it rolling in and keeping the board members in clover. Fear does equal money for those willing to exploit the situation like the NRA or a newspaper trying to keep it's readership up. With regards to the Supreme Court, we were all screwed when they decided to recognize the rights of corporations over people.

It's a tough spot being a liberal who supports the 2nd amendment. Your pretty much going to be ignored by your party except for the blue dog dems.

I voted for Obama in 2008 but I won't vote for him in 2012. From NDAA to Fast and Furious to the Healthcare bill, to the "Wise latina who thinks the 1st amendment can be limited" he has not proven to me to be a good leader.

While I do agree with you about the pre-existing coverage issue; there were several proposals by Republicans which included the same thing; but without the rest of the legislation. That part I don't think anyone minds, but there are just pages and pages of regulation, red tape.

The Small Bill was an alternative affiliated with several Republicans.

http://www.smallbill.org/Small-bill_proposal_2010.pdf

I have every confidence Obama will pander to disarming lobby and push for gun control in his second term.

If G-d forbid one of the 5 Heller justices dies or retires, we will loose everything we have fought for in the supreme court.

It's a tough situation, I know that if I vote R I will be voting for someone who doesn't share a lot of my values, but I also know if I vote D I will be voting for someone who doesn't share my values either.