NYC CCW case is at SCOTUS!

[FrankZ]

If we are talking about useful firearms for militia service, then one needs to look at what is common use by the military, no?

Question...are autocannon considered common use by the military?

 

[teratos]

Question...are autocannon considered common use by the military?

I don't honestly know. Most of the cannon and war ships during the revolution were in private hands. Same with the war of 1812, IIRC, so we see the attitude toward artillery....

 

[FrankZ]

I don't honestly know. Most of the cannon and war ships during the revolution were in private hands. Same with the war of 1812, IIRC, so we see the attitude toward artillery....

I'm liking this line of thinking.

 

[Apd09]

I'm liking this line of thinking.

Fully auto grenade launcher has been developed.

“The SSW40 is still a shoulder-fired grenade launcher but with a magazine to reload the grenades; it acts more like an assault rifle. Interestingly, the company also claims that this is the 'world's first automatic' grenade launcher, which would mean that the weapon will continue to fire grenades till the trigger is released, or the magazine is empty. “

A German defense firm just revealed a new assault rifle-like grenade launcher - Interesting Engineering

It can fire 40 mm medium velocity rounds, too.

interestingengineering.com

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[MigraineMan]

Fully auto grenade launcher has been developed.

“The SSW40 is still a shoulder-fired grenade launcher but with a magazine to reload the grenades; it acts more like an assault rifle. Interestingly, the company also claims that this is the 'world's first automatic' grenade launcher, which would mean that the weapon will continue to fire grenades till the trigger is released, or the magazine is empty. “

A German defense firm just revealed a new assault rifle-like grenade launcher - Interesting Engineering

It can fire 40 mm medium velocity rounds, too.

interestingengineering.com

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Good thing that there's plenty of accessory rail. You might need a laser for precision, or a flashlight for clearing rooms or other confined spaces.

 

[teratos]

Good thing that there's plenty of accessory rail. You might need a laser for precision, or a flashlight for clearing rooms or other confined spaces.

I really lol’d.

 

[budman93]

Fully auto grenade launcher has been developed.

“The SSW40 is still a shoulder-fired grenade launcher but with a magazine to reload the grenades; it acts more like an assault rifle. Interestingly, the company also claims that this is the 'world's first automatic' grenade launcher, which would mean that the weapon will continue to fire grenades till the trigger is released, or the magazine is empty. “

A German defense firm just revealed a new assault rifle-like grenade launcher - Interesting Engineering

It can fire 40 mm medium velocity rounds, too.

interestingengineering.com

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Well their claim of 'first' is definitely false. What do they call the mk19? Its not shoulder fired but it is absolutely a fully automatic grenade launcher. There may be others but that is one for sure.

 

[boothdoc]

I want one !!!!

 

[sundaeman]

Maybe they’ll come out with a semi version for the civilian market.

 

[teratos]

Maybe they’ll come out with a semi version for the civilian market.

It would be legal.

 

[gtodave]

Fully auto grenade launcher has been developed.

“The SSW40 is still a shoulder-fired grenade launcher but with a magazine to reload the grenades; it acts more like an assault rifle. Interestingly, the company also claims that this is the 'world's first automatic' grenade launcher, which would mean that the weapon will continue to fire grenades till the trigger is released, or the magazine is empty. “

A German defense firm just revealed a new assault rifle-like grenade launcher - Interesting Engineering

It can fire 40 mm medium velocity rounds, too.

interestingengineering.com

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I'll take three of those, one of those track machines in the background, and a baker's dozen Javelins just for funsies. Please and thank you.

 

[FrankZ]

Does it come suppressed?

 

[smokey]

There is precedent for limitation on the Bill of Rights.

Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969)

the United States Supreme Court interpreting the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.[1]
The Court held that the government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action".[2][3]: 70

Summed up typically as you can’t tell “fire” in a crowded place.

So you’d need to overturn precedent to get access to machine guns. I don’t see that happening.

IANAL. So maybe I’m wrong here.


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You 100% CAN yell fire in a crowded theater. However, you can't claim the 1a as a defense against injuries that the act causes. In other words, your rights end when they infringe on the rights of others.

There's no parallel to the mere keeping and bearing of arms, any arms. The similarities would be found in the illegal use of the arms to rob, assault, or murder someone. Those acts are illegal, just as using speech to cause material injury to someone is illegal.

 

[jcutonilli]

If we are talking about useful firearms for militia service, then one needs to look at what is common use by the military, no?

I believe SCOTUS was trying to move away from a military centric view of what common use meant and towards a societal view of what common use means. They were acknowledging that there is an overlap, but not all military weapons are protected. They gave examples of bombers and tanks as something that is highly unusual in society at large. They seem to have accepted most small arms as the type of arms in common use.

 

[Boxcab]

I know several people who own, and shoot, canons today. There are competitions to participate in.

They were the field pieces when the country was founded. What is today's equivalent?



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[teratos]

I believe SCOTUS was trying to move away from a military centric view of what common use meant and towards a societal view of what common use means. They were acknowledging that there is an overlap, but not all military weapons are protected. They gave examples of bombers and tanks as something that is highly unusual in society at large. They seem to have accepted most small arms as the type of arms in common use.

I would agree that tanks and bombers would be unusual. Small arms…boy isn’t that a rabbit hole unto itself?

 

[Allen65]

I would agree that tanks and bombers would be unusual. Small arms…boy isn’t that a rabbit hole unto itself?

How unusual does "unusually owned by civilians" have to be?
https://commemorativeairforce.org/aircraft
https://www.maam.org/wwii/photos/vehicles/ww2_veh.htm

Not that I could afford to maintain my own M-18 tank destroyer or B-17 if I had one...

 

[teratos]

How unusual does "unusually owned by civilians" have to be?
https://commemorativeairforce.org/aircraft
https://www.maam.org/wwii/photos/vehicles/ww2_veh.htm

Not that I could afford to maintain my own M-18 tank destroyer or B-17 if I had one...

Not that I don’t want all those things, or disagree with civilian ownership. I just think it’s hard to argue they are in common use by civilians.

 

[whistlersmother]

I believe SCOTUS was trying to move away from a military centric view of what common use meant and towards a societal view of what common use means. They were acknowledging that there is an overlap, but not all military weapons are protected. They gave examples of bombers and tanks as something that is highly unusual in society at large. They seem to have accepted most small arms as the type of arms in common use.

Then SCOTUS are cowards.

 

[Mark75H]

Then SCOTUS are cowards.

The make up of the court has changed