Northam Bans Guns on Capitol Grounds 1/20

[Czechnologist]

I just hope everyone whose going stays cool and safe and proves the BS news outlets totally wrong about gun owners. That would be a win for our side.

 

[Blackbeard]

Why don’t people just stay outside the fenced area where carry is legal? Leave the fenced area empty.

 

[Norton]

Why don’t people just stay outside the fenced area where carry is legal? Leave the fenced area empty.

It doesn't have to be one or the other in the big picture of things. It can be both - we have people inside and outside.

 

[MigraineMan]

Transportation to the overflow area will be provided by the railcars located on the other side of the Capitol plaza.

 

[smokey]

Local Agitprop

Nationally they have headlines like this ...

State of emergency: High tension in Virginia as right-wing gun fanatics descend on Richmond
https://www.salon.com/2020/01/16/st...-right-wing-gun-fanatics-descend-on-richmond/

The article is even more hyperbolic, discussing thousands of fanatics coming to Richmond - basically promoting the notion that anyone who participates in a rally in support of 2A rights is a dangerous extremist.

Indeed, it appears Van Cleave is eager for the racist subtext of gun-nut culture to become more blatant, and begged attendees to avoid making the rally "about flags, statues, history, etc."

Ummmmmm....what?

"The timing of this rally on MLK Day is, of course, eyebrow-raising, as many of the people hyping it are blatant white nationalists. Virginia Citizen Defense League, unsurprisingly, claims innocent motives in choosing this day for its annual pro-gun rally, saying that "date is picked because it is a federal holiday, which allows more gun owners to be able to come." But given that King was assassinated in 1968 by a gun-wielding right-winger, it's hard to imagine there was no ulterior purpose in using this day as one where gun-wielding right-wingers celebrate themselves."

...sooo... all the black people going...they're white supremacists too?

 

[welder516]

Apparently he banned parking as well , what a tyrant and a poor excuse for a human . He gets away with this there will be more from around the country . Liberal politicians are trying to pack as much in this year before the election in 2020 and before they lose big time . IMHO

 

[Alea Jacta Est]

Apparently he banned parking as well , what a tyrant and a poor excuse for a human . He gets away with this there will be more from around the country . Liberal politicians are trying to pack as much in this year before the election in 2020 and before they lose big time . IMHO

His due will come

 

[ShafTed]

Why don’t people just stay outside the fenced area where carry is legal? Leave the fenced area empty.

It doesn't have to be one or the other in the big picture of things. It can be both - we have people inside and outside.

Just got an email from VCDL regarding this. They are calling for people to disarm and fill the concentration camp capitol fences, and then have 5x as many surrounding the fences, legally armed, on the outside. Even mentioned that those choosing to disarm inside the fence bring friends as armed escort to protect them to/from the cattle car chute. The idea is twofold: don't let the tyrant Blackface win by having media shots of an empty fence, as well as showing the media a large crowd of lawfully armed citizens peacefully assembled. And further emphasized keeping calm if confronted by paid agitators, police will be out in force so let them handle the troublemakers. Don't feed the media trolls.

 

[willtill]

Where is the NRA on all of this?

 

[Mule]

https://twitter.com/gmoomaw/status/1218316512546689026?s=20

I wish we could try these cases in American courts.

BLUF, for the TLDR crowd: how is a ruling like this allowed to happen?

More detailed question for some of our legal experts...

The way I'm reading the VASC's response, it appears to be, basically:

1.) The court that had this case before us provided a ruling
2.) That court didn't properly document or support their ruling
3.) Therefore, because the previous court didn't do their job, we can't do ours

Is that basically it?

If so, while I understand the premise behind that reasoning, I wouldn't think that the end result would be a permissible outcome for a case against the state.

Meaning, if the state's courts are being asked to assess the constitutionality of a restriction that the state has put in place, those courts shouldn't be allowed to make the "there's not enough information about the previous decision" argument. Because, as the courts are part of the state's apparatus, and are part of the mechanism used to govern the state, they are both "on the same team", so to speak.

So, if one area of the government fails to do their jobs correctly, and the next-level arbiter uses that failure to deny a case against another part of the government, then the government wins by default.

And, unfortunately, it's not outside the realm of possibility that the failure in question could, potentially, have been created on purpose, for benefit of the government. (more often than not, though, some technical, administrative, or financial issue would be the actual root cause, rather than malice. Nonetheless, the appearance is still tainted with conflict of interest)

Therefore, it's interesting to me that there wouldn't be a rule to the effect of "if a procedural or administrative failure of an earlier court becomes the reason that a court of next resort is unable to properly assess a case, and the decision in that previous case benefited the state, then the state shall automatically lose the decision in the court of next resort."

Sort of a "if the visiting team's headsets aren't working, the home team can't benefit from the use of headsets" kind of thing? (Not the best analogy, but closest I could draw, on the spot, for this particular subject)

Or, is this type of issue so rare, that it wasn't built into the design of the system?

 

[welder516]

Just think of this small scale event ( or non-event ) they just shut down American Citizens rights and freedoms . Now place this in a larger more extreme situation , they will shut everything down and create more of a scene . They will pretty much do the same as Iran does to it's subjects .


To me the Government is showing its hand

 

[teratos]

Where is the NRA on all of this?

Wayne is shopping for a new suit.

 

[Steve_Zissou]

To me the Government is showing its hand

If I were a betting man, I'd wager there are a lot of folks within the adminstrative caste who are a little worried about what might happen in the 2040s when the the white population drops below 50% and becomes minority in the nation that their ancestors built from the ground up. If more and more of the country starts looking like Baltimore or Juarez, people aren't going to be happy, and the people who aren't going to be happy just happen to be the majority of gun owners.

Getting the legislative ball rolling that slowly leads to confiscation as the baby boomers all grow old and die off over the next 25 years probably goes a long way towards ensuring that things go "smoothly" once the demographic change and the resulting Brazilification really start accelerating in a decade or three.

 

[Mr. B]

IMO this is a critical tipping point - built upon a decades long overtaking of academia, media and politics - whereupon the leftists are confidently saying "What're you gonna do about it?"

The governor of VA is going to ignore the constitution. Well what are you gonna do about it? Show up and protest, carry legally? OK, he'll just act to shut it down, the media will support it, young people indoctrinated by academia will support it, spineless "conservatives" will at best wring their hands, police will serve who pays their salary and pension, and he'll probably win.

The challenge is clear and cannot be avoided any longer.

 

[Occam]

The challenge is clear and cannot be avoided any longer.

So what are you calling for, specifically? This always seems to be where the conversation screeches to a halt.

 

[welder516]

I don't think it is even possible to talk about such things in an open forum , these topics are best for the fight club method .

 

[Mr. B]

So what are you calling for, specifically? This always seems to be where the conversation screeches to a halt.

I'm not sure what the answer is - for myself or otherwise.

I'm just pointing out that it is a "what are you gonna do about it" moment.

 

[willtill]

One thing that can be for certain; the intelligence apparatuses of the United States are closely monitoring this pending event. Sure of that.

 

[Steve_Zissou]

The governor of VA is going to ignore the constitution. Well what are you gonna do about it? Show up and protest, carry legally? OK, he'll just act to shut it down, the media will support it, young people indoctrinated by academia will support it, spineless "conservatives" will at best wring their hands, police will serve who pays their salary and pension, and he'll probably win.

And the importation over the past 4 decades of tens of millions of new voters from countries that never cared and never will care about freedom, the Constitution, or 2nd amendment rights means that in the coming decades, more and more formerly republican stronghold states are going to go the way of Virginia.

If you think this is bad, just wait until Texas flips blue in the next few years and you get Governor O'Rourke in Austin.

 

[Applehd]

So what are you calling for, specifically? This always seems to be where the conversation screeches to a halt.

No one is willing to admit "specifically" on a public forum what MAY happen. I do NOT condone what MAY happen. But I will say this... it's on everyone's mind... and Northam lit this powder keg. He will own any negative outcome.

PS... I type slow... but I will post this anyway although someone has already alluded to what I am saying...