OK. Bead sight on mossberg pump 18 1/2" is putting me 6-7 inches high with slugs at 25 yards with my eye as low as possible (too low as i get recoil of shotgun in my face - no rear bead) with barely being able to view bead sight i am so low. Windage is fine. I know shotguns are not precision rifles but 7 inches at 25 yards is a little too much for me. I would like to bring POI down without aiming 7 inches below target. Someone i know measured rifle, sight, distance and figured out cosigns and all that crap and came up with that i currently have bead that is 3/16" height above barrel but need a bead that is 3/8" (or double the height i have) to hit center mass. None of the beads advertised have the measurements so my question is, what product could work or what washer or shim could work to bring my POI down to close to POA. Any experience would be appreciated. thread is 5-40 on the bead (i believe for mossberg). Just looking for answers i can't find with google or searching other threads. Thank you in advance.
Non-AR question - Shotgun Bead Sight Height
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Honestly, yeah. If you are using shot, shifting your point of aim a fraction lower is the way to go. If you are suing slugs for deer/hogs or turkey hunting you should really be using something like rifle sights, a red dot or ghost ring bolt on sights (to the rib, though with a gun that short, probably no rib).
You long with shot, you aim with slugs and for aiming you need real sights. My 20ga has just a bear and I can hit within 6 inches at 25yds, but that is about it. My 12ga has raised front fiber optic and a rear ghost ring and I can put a slug within 2 inches at 50ydsa d frankly it works well with shot for me too (I am not much of a shotgunner).
Biggfoot44
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- Aug 2, 2009
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Aim lower.
It is possable to shoot surprisingly small groups with bead only. The bad news is if the poi is too far off, there is no way to adjust it.
Option #1- Try different weights and velocities of slug, to see if one is sufficiently closer to poa.
Option#2- Smoothbore Mossberg slug bbls are relatively inexpensive.
It is possable to shoot surprisingly small groups with bead only. The bad news is if the poi is too far off, there is no way to adjust it.
Option #1- Try different weights and velocities of slug, to see if one is sufficiently closer to poa.
Option#2- Smoothbore Mossberg slug bbls are relatively inexpensive.
Yeah, the little bit I have shot with slugs, I have my ghost ring sights set about as low as they will go and I am dead on at 50yds and 3" low at 100 with federal truball. Switching to Remington sluggers of similar weight and velocity and those are 3" high at 50yds and 2" to the right. High velocity sluggers are 2" high and 2" left. Go figure. More variation between brands than I see with 22lr
thanks for the input. will definitely try different ammo. was thinking of putting one of these on because it looks like either one of these must have higher profile than the bead to bring poi down at least a little. thanks again for the suggestions and i will aim lower until a solution presents itself.
https://www.amazon.com/Meprolight-ML-34044-Mossberg-Tru-Dot-Night/dp/B000U62QE2/
https://www.amazon.com/XS-Sight-Systems-SG-2003-3-Trituim/dp/B00PNDX5LU/
https://www.amazon.com/Meprolight-ML-34044-Mossberg-Tru-Dot-Night/dp/B000U62QE2/
https://www.amazon.com/XS-Sight-Systems-SG-2003-3-Trituim/dp/B00PNDX5LU/
Stevie Boy
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Or, a rifled slug barrel which is also relatively inexpensive. They use Sabots though which are generally more accurate and good for longer ranges.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mossberg-Mo...led-Barrel-Ported-3-inch-Shells-/371566011959
"Non-AR question?" WHHHAAAAT!?! How tha? Who said you could...wait...MODS! Is he allowed to do that?!?
+1 on different ammo. In my experience that alone can shift POI several inches. You might see where it is hitting at 50 and just learn to live with it. Aiming low is much more tolerable than aiming high...at least you can see your target.
My newest go to smoothbore slug barrel prints about a foot low at 50 with Rem slugs (which, of course, is the brand I stockpiled). If I recall, either Win or Brenneke slugs were about half as low to "good enough."
Is your intent hunting, defending, or playing?
+1 on different ammo. In my experience that alone can shift POI several inches. You might see where it is hitting at 50 and just learn to live with it. Aiming low is much more tolerable than aiming high...at least you can see your target.
My newest go to smoothbore slug barrel prints about a foot low at 50 with Rem slugs (which, of course, is the brand I stockpiled). If I recall, either Win or Brenneke slugs were about half as low to "good enough."
Is your intent hunting, defending, or playing?
Just want to keep it bare bones
Good suggestions on all above posts. gonna try some different ammo and for 25 bucks may try one the other bead replacements to bring up poi a little. Would like POA/POI a little closer. Can live with some variance but would like it a little closer. Have a 28" barrel that hits where i want, just tweaking the smaller one a little bit. Gonna keep it bare bones without red dots or other optics. I'm surprised that they do not have a few different size bead sights for some of the more popular shotguns out there. Will report back in a few weeks a let you know how it works. Thanks again.
"Non-AR question?" WHHHAAAAT!?! How tha? Who said you could...wait...MODS! Is he allowed to do that?!?
+1 on different ammo. In my experience that alone can shift POI several inches. You might see where it is hitting at 50 and just learn to live with it. Aiming low is much more tolerable than aiming high...at least you can see your target.
My newest go to smoothbore slug barrel prints about a foot low at 50 with Rem slugs (which, of course, is the brand I stockpiled). If I recall, either Win or Brenneke slugs were about half as low to "good enough."
Is your intent hunting, defending, or playing?
Good suggestions on all above posts. gonna try some different ammo and for 25 bucks may try one the other bead replacements to bring up poi a little. Would like POA/POI a little closer. Can live with some variance but would like it a little closer. Have a 28" barrel that hits where i want, just tweaking the smaller one a little bit. Gonna keep it bare bones without red dots or other optics. I'm surprised that they do not have a few different size bead sights for some of the more popular shotguns out there. Will report back in a few weeks a let you know how it works. Thanks again.
Biggfoot44
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- Aug 2, 2009
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Yup, fully rifled is good. My Marlin 512 will put rounds touching at 50yd.
But fully rifled makes it dedicated to only slugs, and versatility to also use buckshot, or regular birdshot can be a desirable thing.
The OP was discussing slugs at 25yd, this is well within the capabilities of smoothbore. If I wasn't mindreading properly, and what the OP really wants is 100yd plus dedicated deer gun, by all means go fully rifled , and don't look back.
But fully rifled makes it dedicated to only slugs, and versatility to also use buckshot, or regular birdshot can be a desirable thing.
The OP was discussing slugs at 25yd, this is well within the capabilities of smoothbore. If I wasn't mindreading properly, and what the OP really wants is 100yd plus dedicated deer gun, by all means go fully rifled , and don't look back.
Stevie Boy
Ultimate Member
Agreed. Sounded like he was open to spending some money and a barrel change is quick and easy (in my book). It's a personal preference thing, I swap in the rifled barrel for hunting season then back to the HD barrel the rest of the year. Just another option to consider. The other ideas are all good too.
alucard0822
For great Justice
Slugs always hit higher than shot, also a big difference in poi between various loads as others mentioned. A bead will work, but you have to learn to "hold under" with a 6:00 hold. Most field guns will hit with shot when the bead is just under a close target and placed over a further target, full power slugs will hit when the bead is level with the bottom edge of a 12" target at 25-50ish yards and level with the center of a target at 100. It's primarily a handgun/shotgun technique due to the slow arc trajectory. Now you can sight it in with rifle sights or a scope for a given range, but still have to learn hold under/over for ranges outside of the distance you sighted it in at. Going to a managed recoil slug will hit lower, using a taller bead will probably cover the target outside if whatever range it is sighted in at.
Interesting article on this topic i found while researching.
https://www.policeone.com/police-pr...0791-Sighting-Systems-For-The-Police-Shotgun/
https://www.policeone.com/police-pr...0791-Sighting-Systems-For-The-Police-Shotgun/
