No Pole: Two AR's, What Does MDS Recommend For Optics.

[TI-tick]

I got eyes on a Trijicon Ascent 1x4. Not illuminated but great glass and lite. Very nice.

I may need to some reconfiguration.

 

[King Chicken]

I got eyes on a Trijicon Ascent 1x4. Not illuminated but great glass and lite. Very nice.

I may need to some reconfiguration.

Would you also do a backup optic or buis since it's a scope? Or you just have the other AR as backup or sum sing

 

[TI-tick]

Would you also do a backup optic or buis since it's a scope? Or you just have the other AR as backup or sum sing

BUIS.

 

[antco]

On topic of BUIS, who makes a good set out of metal? I don’t want plastic.

 

[TI-tick]

On topic of BUIS, who makes a good set out of metal? I don’t want plastic.

I have a set of these on one or two of my rigs and they are nice: https://www.lwrci.com/Sights_c_40.html

The rest of my rigs have Magpuls.

 

[Melnic]

Glass quality is not in the specs. How clear and the distortions in the glass. not in the specs.
Don't know what you call it "eye relief sensitivity" how much distance from eye to back of scope and you still see the entire circle. that's not in specs.
Ruggedness and repeatability of the glass, not in specs. That's does the glass move shot after shot throwing your POI off? cheap glass will do that.

My rule of thumb is 50%-75% of price of the upper is the sweet spot/bang for the buck. There are people that will spend less and people that will spend more. You don't need a high $ scope though for an upper and your ammo that can only do 2 MOA. a 4x scope with forgiving eye relief can do the trick IMO.

I have a variety of uppers ranging from a good quality target barrel with a $250 scope that shoots <1MOA from the bench with reloads, Red dot on a 2MOA gun and peep sights on a 2MOA gun. I shoot the peeps most often cause I'm shooting offhand at 100 yards onto big 12" steel plates. I just count any miss.

Everyone is different but I can say this after learning the hard way first. cheap glass can frustrate you and limit your gun below its ability.

enjoy.

 

[TI-tick]

Glass quality is not in the specs. How clear and the distortions in the glass. not in the specs.
Don't know what you call it "eye relief sensitivity" how much distance from eye to back of scope and you still see the entire circle. that's not in specs.
Ruggedness and repeatability of the glass, not in specs. That's does the glass move shot after shot throwing your POI off? cheap glass will do that.

My rule of thumb is 50%-75% of price of the upper is the sweet spot/bang for the buck. There are people that will spend less and people that will spend more. You don't need a high $ scope though for an upper and your ammo that can only do 2 MOA. a 4x scope with forgiving eye relief can do the trick IMO.

I have a variety of uppers ranging from a good quality target barrel with a $250 scope that shoots <1MOA from the bench with reloads, Red dot on a 2MOA gun and peep sights on a 2MOA gun. I shoot the peeps most often cause I'm shooting offhand at 100 yards onto big 12" steel plates. I just count any miss.

Everyone is different but I can say this after learning the hard way first. cheap glass can frustrate you and limit your gun below its ability.

enjoy.

I recently visited a LGS to look at their C&R's and also checked out their optics. They had a Trijicon Ascent 1-4x24 that I really liked the glass and weight, but no illum.

They also had that I did not look at the glass:
Vortex PST2 1-6x24 for $600
Sig 1-8x24 for 500
Sig 1-10x24 for 700

I did not look at the glass on these 3 as it gives me a reason to return in a few weeks to also look for C&R's. I agree, best to look through the glass first.

 

[antco]

I have a set of these on one or two of my rigs and they are nice: https://www.lwrci.com/Sights_c_40.html

The rest of my rigs have Magpuls.

Thanks.

 

[Bafflingbs]

At around 9.6”, under 17oz, Japanese glass and 1-8 magnification, I’d go with the brand new Primary Arms LPVO’s. I have the Votex Viper PST Gen II 1-6, and it’s ok. It’s nothing to get excited about though

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DetailsThis rifle scope is part of the top tier optics line called PLx. PLx optics meet the exacting demands of professional use, offering impeccable glass clarity and advanced features from state-of-the-art production facilities.Improving on its predecessor, the fully redesigned PLx 1-8x24mm...

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[Blaster229]

I am going with the Skalarworks mount with the Vortex.

Scalarworks Leap Mount for 30mm Scopes

The Scalarworks Leap Mount is the lightest, strongest, and easiest to use quick-detach 30mm Scope mount in existence.

scalarworks.com

I'll be able to swap out with my green dot

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[Blaster229]

On topic of BUIS, who makes a good set out of metal? I don’t want plastic.

Check out Skalarworks.

Scalarworks PEAK/02 Folding iron sights for AR15 rifles.

Scalarworks Peak Sights are state of the art folding iron sights for AR15 rifles. Designed for modern rifles with shooters in mind.

scalarworks.com

 

[TI-tick]

I am going with the Skalarworks mount with the Vortex.

Scalarworks Leap Mount for 30mm Scopes

The Scalarworks Leap Mount is the lightest, strongest, and easiest to use quick-detach 30mm Scope mount in existence.

scalarworks.com

I'll be able to swap out with my green dot

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Interesting.
I prefer QD mounts and IIRC I have them from Leupold, American Defense, and La Rue; those all work on the lever concept where this one is different. Close enough in price to check it out.

 

[antco]

Check out Skalarworks.

Scalarworks PEAK/02 Folding iron sights for AR15 rifles.

Scalarworks Peak Sights are state of the art folding iron sights for AR15 rifles. Designed for modern rifles with shooters in mind.

scalarworks.com

Bought and installed. Haven’t yet sighted them in. Made in MD. Shipping was FAST.

 

[TI-tick]

Well F me.

I've narrowed it down to the exps2 (no combo) for the pistola, and the NF NX8 1-8 with the FC DMX reticle for the rifle.

I can get both from Sportsmans Warehouse locally; buy, ship to store, check out the visual, and buy if you like, or return if not.

Thing is they (SW) have no QD mounts. Scalarworks does and also has a package deal with the same optic for about $100.00 less than buying their base and the optic from Sportsmans Warehouse. La Rue mounts are about the same price and work with release/clamp levers that I'm familiar with.

Another thing with bases is height; used to be full or 1/3 co witness. now it's like 1.57 or 1.93; which I reckon is about the same thing. IDK.

SW has mounted optics for me before, and you can see them while working. So I may just pay more and let them do it with their torque drivers and such; VS the Scalarworks package.

More shit to consider.

PS, FJB!

 

[outrider58]

Analysis paralysis. Lol

 

[photoshooter]

LPVO is the trend. Comparing the Vortex Razor GEN III 1-10 FFP vs Vortex Razor 1-6 Second Focal Plane - the 10x FFP is great for longer ranges but really small to see quickly at 1x - where as the 1-6 reticle 2ndFP stays large at at 1x. Illumination helps but only so much. Same is true with other 1-10x FFP scopes like EoTech. just something to consider.

 

[TI-tick]

Analysis paralysis. Lol

I'm contemplating that Colt Commando so hold your horses!

 

[outrider58]

I'm contemplating that Colt Commando so hold your horses!

If you have to think about it, well...

 

[TI-tick]

If you have to think about it, well...

Fair enough.
Price too high, etc...

 

[TI-tick]

Well, the optics arrived.

The Eotech EXPS-2 was just what I needed for my pistola. Clear reticle for my astigmatism eyes. I have another Eotech (similar to this one) on another platform in MD but that one IIRC appears not as clear as this one; or maybe it's the second dot. IDK. Anyhow I like it.

The NF NX8 1-8 with the FC DMX reticle is very nice. The made in Japan markings on the bottom made me think WTF? But compared to the high end Nightforce stuff at 2x the price, it is what it is; and IDK if anyone can diss Japanese made optics. I really like the reticle set up. I took it out into the hood and the mils work well for ranging. To me the glass is very good as is the illumination; at 1x it's like a red dot and at 8x the circle around the center is illuminated, crisp and clear. My concerns about the Christmas tree markings were unfounded. I can hardly see them at 1x and they are not in the way of a target or background at 8x. For me the reticle really draws my eyes to the center quickly; same as the Eotech.

Getting the scope mounted tomorrow on a Vortex QD cantilever mount. I went with this as it's a duplicate of another mount I have on another platform. I like to keep things redundant.

Pics to follow.