No more SBRs

[BradMacc82]

Yes. Jvegas confirmed to me via PM. Just left his meeting on the new laws. Sbr's banned after 10/1.

He didn't elaborate.

This is getting interesting.

 

[occbrian]

Ok.

He says you can't sbr a pre ban lower after 10/1 either.

"At least according to the MSP today"

I am disappoint.

 

[engineerbrian]

It will be interesting to see if this is applies only on new purchases or SBR'ing an old rifle

 

[occbrian]

"At least according to the MSP today"

 

[occbrian]

And hbars must remain hbars

 

[Butcher]

This is getting interesting.

See I'm not crazy, or trolling.

I don't work at an FFL. My coworker *is* an FFL01/SOT3 (his other gig) and attended the meeting today. SB281 also said dealers with inventory can sell that after Oct 1. Today, they said dealers can only sell inventory after Oct 1 if a customer has paid for it prior to Oct 1.

He stated plainly: SBRs are banned. SBS are not. "They even admitted that it will be impossible for a regular civilian to buy a handgun during October"

And no, I'm not outing his name or business name. You all will begin to see the news trickle in as people come out of the FFL classes

 

[clandestine]

I assume this means paperwork pending per October 1 will be fine. If not there lots of Class 3 stuff about to vet kicked back my NFA.

 

[Butcher]

Also HBAR AR-15s may not be converted into gov profile uppers after Oct.1, in case anyone thought they'd be clever and do that :/

 

[BradMacc82]

My paperwork was already submitted.

Guess we'll see...

 

[joppaj]

Honestly I don't think it has anything to do with MSP understanding the law.
They are being told how to interpret it. I guarantee there was a closed door meeting with the politicians and the MSP brass and orders were given to tighten the screws as tight as possible on firearms, period. We saw that when the MSP bosses were lined up in Annapolis as window dressing for O'Malley and they really didn't know anything about the law yet they gave their opinion on it.

Agreed. They are getting marching orders through their legal section directly from Gansler in all likelihood. Gansler may well be going back to the legislators who wrote this to ask for insight.

That's my guess anyway.

 

[BradMacc82]

MD has gone Full Retard.

 

[Butcher]

MD has gone Full Retard.

Never go full retard. Lol

 

[BradMacc82]

Never go full retard. Lol

Our elected officials didn't get that memo.

Well, looks like a lot of the gun shops in MD that had thought NFA was going to be a viable source of income just got boned, with no lube, again.

 

[engineerbrian]

See I'm not crazy, or trolling.

I don't work at an FFL. My coworker *is* an FFL01/SOT3 (his other gig) and attended the meeting today. SB281 also said dealers with inventory can sell that after Oct 1. Today, they said dealers can only sell inventory after Oct 1 if a customer has paid for it prior to Oct 1.

He stated plainly: SBRs are banned. SBS are not. "They even admitted that it will be impossible for a regular civilian to buy a handgun during October"

And no, I'm not outing his name or business name. You all will begin to see the news trickle in as people come out of the FFL classes

My credit card hopes this is true. That means I will only have to scramble to get one item done prior to Oct 1.

 

[jvegas]

I was in class today, too. They in fact did say SBRs are banned.

 

[annihilation-time]

I was in class today, too. They in fact did say SBRs are banned.

Did they say how they came to that conclusion?

 

[jvegas]

I assume this means paperwork pending per October 1 will be fine. If not there lots of Class 3 stuff about to vet kicked back my NFA.

The ruling from Gansler now is that the HQL will be needed to pick up pre Oct 1 77R handguns after Oct 1.

 

[jvegas]

Did they say how they came to that conclusion?

Referenced OAL and copy cats.

 

[aireyc]

Let me just state this again since I keep hearing blatant misinformation: SBRs are not banned in 281 and will be legal to purchase after 10/1. The ONLY thing subject to interpretation are SBRs with OAL < 29" as well as SBRs that fall under the copycat test/banned item list. I keep hearing this blanket "SBRs are banned" when there is nothing in the law that states as such. There shouldn't be anything stopping you from chopping up to 4.75" off of your M&P 15-22.

 

[anderson76]

Did they say how they came to that conclusion?

The argument for all SBRs being banned would be as follows:

A firearm with a barrel length of less than 16” also meets the definition of handgun. Only those handguns on the MD roster can be purchased. I can’t imagine a scenario under which a SBR AR15 will make it onto said roster. So there you have your de facto ban on SBRs.

At least that would be one argument. Someone check my reasoning. I am just shooting from the hip here.