New York rifle and Pistol case: what's next?

[rambling_one]

If one were to rank the nine court justices from most conservative to most liberal, what would the list look like?

 

[Allen65]

If one were to rank the nine court justices from most conservative to most liberal, what would the list look like?

I don't think that can be done in any way that's meaningful across all issues, maybe it might work on a single type of issue or aspect of judicial philosophy. Definitions of "conservative" and "liberal" vary from person to person, and change over time.

 

[jcutonilli]

If one were to rank the nine court justices from most conservative to most liberal, what would the list look like?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideological_leanings_of_United_States_Supreme_Court_justices

 

[DanGuy48]

^^^

Interesting graphs. It looks like conservatives stay true to their initial beliefs, on average, while liberals go off the deep end the longer they are on the court.

 

[rambling_one]

I was attempting to gauge where Barrett stands among the “conservative” justices when it comes to the NY case.

 

[camo556]

I was attempting to gauge where Barrett stands among the “conservative” justices when it comes to the NY case.

At orals, Barrett and Roberts seemed to be on the same page - concerns about sensitive places.

But we will see.

 

[jcutonilli]

I was attempting to gauge where Barrett stands among the “conservative” justices when it comes to the NY case.

That is more difficult because each justice has their own leanings that can change depending on the case. The graphs simply depict averages. I suspect Kavanaugh will appear more conservative with respect to gun cases. I don't have enough info on Barrett to know how her leaning may change with respect to gun cases. Her Kanter dissent is a positive sign, but it is not exactly the same case.

 

[rambling_one]

Thanks.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideological_leanings_of_United_States_Supreme_Court_justices

I’d like to see how they determine the scale of where they fall. Some of that has to be subjective as well. Plus while on one case a Justice might be fairly close to neutral while on another case they may be extreme liberal/conservative.

Just be interesting to note the criteria for rating each justice

 

[Kharn]

See a previous post I had about permits across the nation.

What you speak of in regards to Maryland residents getting a W&C permit maybe true.

I have and am a certified Maryland W&C Instructor, but sadly don’t have my Maryland W&C permit.

When NYSPRA is done, hopefully I will get mine, as I travel frequently.

I also have 38 (as of today) Texans who will take my course and apply for a MD W&C permit after NYSPRA.

What I predict, and I could be wrong. Is that due to the fact of no reciprocity from MD and a lot of people doing business in multiple states, or having family etc… many Non-residents will apply as well.

Of my 38 future Students, 23 of them are getting because they travel to Maryland on business. The rest either travel for pleasure like I do, or they have family in Maryland that they visit frequently.

So I represent at least 40 Future Non resident applications. (My 38 students, my self, and my wife.)

If you're an instructor, why not apply as a business owner?

 

[Texasgrillchef]

If you're an instructor, why not apply as a business owner?

Becaus my business doesn’t physically reside in Maryland, and isn’t an official “brick and mortar” location. Otherwise I would.

I’ll just wait for the SCOTUS opinion. I’m not in that big a hurry.

 

[Occam]

Becaus my business doesn’t physically reside in Maryland, and isn’t an official “brick and mortar” location.

As long as you can show you conduct some business activity in MD, neither of those matter.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

As long as you can show you conduct some business activity in MD, neither of those matter.

So if I can show I rent a “conference” space at a local hotel, and have a range to shoot at, that’s all they need?

 

[Occam]

So if I can show I rent a “conference” space at a local hotel, and have a range to shoot at, that’s all they need?

The MD permit is agnostic as to where you live, or if you do other business in other states. If you own the business and conduct business in MD, you've got G&S. What you want is to show that your business is a going financial concern (income from it appears on your taxes, etc), that you're in charge of it (not just some passive bag man), and that you have activities IN MARYLAND that contribute to that activity.

Yes, this sort of finagling could (and should!) be made less fussy by a proper ruling on this case. But if you don't feel like waiting until next summer, and can wrangle together some tangible invoices, in-MD ATM receipts, documentation showing you doing business stuff in the state, you should have your G&S for the MD permit. Then, just a whole lot less fuss come renewal time if this case goes right. Otherwise, just wait like everyone else and be ready for the tidal wave.

 

[camo556]

Applications for concealed carry permits have exploded in urban areas

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...d-policing-amid-crime-spike-on-their-doorstep

Applications for concealed carry permits have exploded in Los Angeles County, where voters went for Biden by more than 40 points.

Since late 2018, the LA County Sheriff’s Office approved roughly 2,100 concealed carry permit applications, compared to the less than 200 permit applications that were approved by the same office the four years prior, according to a report by a California-based journalist.

 

[parttimer]

If you're an instructor, why not apply as a business owner?

A close friend of mine is an instructor and cannot/will not get his permit. He applied and provided the necessary documentation including bank statements. The person reviewing his application said they need his client list. He refused to turn over the receipts with his customers names on it. He offered the receipts with the clients names and info redacted and was told redacted information was not acceptable. The only way he was going to get his permit was to turn in the information on his clients. He withdrew his application. He can teach the classes to get a carry permit but, cannot personally carry because he will not turn over his client list.

 

[Occam]

A close friend of mine is an instructor and cannot/will not get his permit. He applied and provided the necessary documentation including bank statements. The person reviewing his application said they need his client list. He refused to turn over the receipts with his customers names on it. He offered the receipts with the clients names and info redacted and was told redacted information was not acceptable. The only way he was going to get his permit was to turn in the information on his clients. He withdrew his application. He can teach the classes to get a carry permit but, cannot personally carry because he will not turn over his client list.

Most likely that's because those receipts (complete with who/where info) would be what they want to see to establish the fact that the business activity is actually happening inside the state. If the instructor's courses are being held at a MD venue, he should produce invoices showing those addresses and how he paid for use of them. If the location doesn't cost anything, he should arrange for some sort of dated use document from whoever owns it (range, etc).

I'm hardly defending the MSP here, trust me - but for all they know all of his students are Virginians and he's renting out a room at the NRA Range across the river, and Maryland's got nothing to do with it. They do seem to err on the side of that kind of thinking.

 

[Slackdaddy]

I do the physical maintenance and securing of vacant properties (for the last ~30 years. 20 years ago I inquired about a carry permit and was told I had to show I was carrying large sums of cash on a regular basis,, that me being by myself in a boarded up Baltimore row home was not a good reason.
Is that still the case?

The MD permit is agnostic as to where you live, or if you do other business in other states. If you own the business and conduct business in MD, you've got G&S. What you want is to show that your business is a going financial concern (income from it appears on your taxes, etc), that you're in charge of it (not just some passive bag man), and that you have activities IN MARYLAND that contribute to that activity.

Yes, this sort of finagling could (and should!) be made less fussy by a proper ruling on this case. But if you don't feel like waiting until next summer, and can wrangle together some tangible invoices, in-MD ATM receipts, documentation showing you doing business stuff in the state, you should have your G&S for the MD permit. Then, just a whole lot less fuss come renewal time if this case goes right. Otherwise, just wait like everyone else and be ready for the tidal wave.

 

[Occam]

I do the physical maintenance and securing of vacant properties (for the last ~30 years. 20 years ago I inquired about a carry permit and was told I had to show I was carrying large sums of cash on a regular basis,, that me being by myself in a boarded up Baltimore row home was not a good reason.
Is that still the case?

If you can bother with the paperwork to set yourself up as a formal business to do that, being a business owner is all that MSP now requires. Or, wait until the NY case is ruled on!

 

[Slackdaddy]

OK,
I have been a lic and insured business with a federal TIN for ~30 years.
When did they change that? used to be your life was not worth protecting, but your cash was.

If you can bother with the paperwork to set yourself up as a formal business to do that, being a business owner is all that MSP now requires. Or, wait until the NY case is ruled on!