New PCC: S&W Response

[outrider58]

Just curious, what makes a non-delayed blowback crap?

The impulse is heavier, in the sense of recoil, than delayeds because of more reciprocating mass in the heavier bolt and buffers used to slow or delay bolt speed. You tend to end up with more red dot movement, red dot sights being the most practical sighting system for PCCs. I'm not bothered greatly by that, but I don't shoot competitively. I have direct blow-back as well as several delayed systems.

 

[DocPeanut]

I’m hoping this is a good entry point PCC for a first one. Aesthetically, I really like the looks

 

[Biggfoot44]

Blowback requires a substantial weight bolt So adds weight inherently , and enlarged reciever to contsin2 said chunky bolt, , and the cycling back and forth adds its own dynamics of recoil , and otherwise gun movement in each direction .

You no longer get bonus points for elegant engineerying with a blowback design . Kind of like introducing a 2024 model year car with a crank on the front


Just 'splaining , not totally buying into it . Everything is a series

 

[Slackdaddy]

Is this S&W PCC a direct blowback?
Why does it have a buffer tube?
There is nothing that says "After Thought" like a full size magwell with a PC mag in it,, do you have to wrap electrical tape around the mag for it to stay in ?

 

[Biggfoot44]

There are so many firearms that take glock mags, it's crazy.

When a magazine design is reliable , well proven , in very common use , and readily available in standard and actual high capacities , why reinvent the wheel

It was common to design to design SMG and SMG like carbines to use variously as is or slightly modified Sten / Uzi/ Grease Gun magazines in the eras they were readily available for cheap as surplus .

Plus , it's a selling point for PCC if they interchangeable use the same mags as prospective purchasers already have for their very popular pistols

 

[Biggfoot44]

I'm surprised I'm the first to ask :

Is this essentially a non folding FPC , or a unique design ?

 

[outrider58]

I'm surprised I'm the first to ask :

Is this essentially a non folding FPC , or a unique design ?

There are plenty of non folding PCCs out there and actually, the stock on this carbine can be converted into a foling stock(for storage) with the addition a LAW folder. That is, assuming the bolt carrier will accept the buffer extension required.

 

[Alphabrew]

I'm surprised I'm the first to ask :

Is this essentially a non folding FPC , or a unique design ?

It’s obviously completely different than the FPC

 

[John from MD]

It’s obviously completely different than the FPC

The FPC is similar to a Kel Tec Sub 2000.

 

[outrider58]

The FPC is similar to a Kel Tec Sub 2000.

Better in that it folds sideways which allows sights/scopes to be mounted and still be able to fold and having more mounting points for lights and lasers etc.

 

[John from MD]

Better in that it folds sideways which allows sights/scopes to be mounted and still be able to fold and having more mounting points for lights and lasers etc.

I agree, it is more versatile but is the same concept.

 

[Bullfrog]

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Better in that it folds sideways which allows sights/scopes to be mounted and still be able to fold and having more mounting points for lights and lasers etc.

Unfortunately that also makes it much fatter when folded. It can't fit into a flat case, laptop sleeve, or backpack pocket like the Sub2k. It basically requires a dedicated backpack or fat case like a big camera bag.

 

[Sirex]

I kinda like it. I have a Rak 9 Ak in 9mm, and I can switch between Glock and Beretta mags by swapping the mag adapter, if I recall. But I would assume the S&W is lighter and has a lifetime warranty. The Chiappa does not. My daughter likes PCCs because the AR is.........too loud. Hey, as long as she shoots, I am happy. I'll get her what she likes.

 

[Boats]

its ugly. As are all AR9s that take pistol mags (specifically the angled back magazine makes it look like the love child of a Vector and an AR.). ew

 

[owldo]

It's a carbine so it should be fine.

But is it a HB Carbine ?

 

[outrider58]

its ugly. As are all AR9s that take pistol mags (specifically the angled back magazine makes it look like the love child of a Vector and an AR.). ew

It is ugly and I have no want for a Glock fed carbine. That said, Glock fed carbines are very popular, especially in the competitive shooting sports.

 

[Boats]

It is ugly and I have no want for a Glock fed carbine. That said, Glock fed carbines are very popular, especially in the competitive shooting sports.

The key word is "the masses" is "asses".

(I know you're right. I reserve my right to dislike the facts you brought up)

 

[outrider58]

The key word is "the masses" is "asses".

(I know you're right. I reserve my right to dislike the facts you brought up)

Welcome back.

 

[Boats]

Welcome back.