MSP To Hire 66 New Employees to Handle Background Checks

[bnich82]

No, just use NICS like most other states. Problem solved.

EXACTLY...there is no arrgument for efficency when it comes to checking 17 databases vs just NICS...especially when NICS is the first DB MSP checks :what: Use those 66 new hires as data entry folks to populate the NICS from the 16 databases and have MSP run a NICS check and be done. Of course that would probably destroy any rational they have for being the POC for regulated background checks as dealers would now have access to same "info/database" via the NICS system...

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[rbird7282]

Close to zero chance the law will be going into effect October 1st anyway - I don't remember if the money the GA promised was to be spent for this stuff was to be released upon actual start of the law being in effect, but I assume so.

So if (when) a lawsuit is actually filed to block it these 66 positions will be put on hold indefinitely. I can't imagine they will hire a damn one of them if the Oct. 1 date is pushed back.

That's extremely optimistic.

 

[bigwillc]

they can hire 666 new employees (see what I did there?), it won't fix a flawed system with unlinked databases. Put that money into a modern system that is LESS labor intensive.

Agreed.... Having to use 17 different databases is asinine.

 

[IndispensableDestiny]

From a screening standpoint, NICS leaves a lot to chance. There are only 10.5 records in NICS, half because they are illegals. Only 1.6 million records are for criminals.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/active-records-in-the-nics-index-033113.pdf

Since 1998, only about 1 million sales were denied by NICS:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/federal-denials-033113.pdf

Now cross reference this with the number of people in jail, or have been in jail for felonies, and you'll be astounded. I will not do that for you, but the data is out there.

 

[kbarrett220]

Actually, SB281 gave MSP and addtional 400 pin #'s for sworn Troopers. But seeing as they are already 400 + short, it's not realistic they will be to full authorized strength in any less than 8 years. It takes 8 months to train a Trooper to be able to somewhat function on their own and anothe 3-5 years on patrol to be seasoned. That's if they patrol in a County that has a sharp learning curb like Prince George's. And the attrition rate is attrocious. They are losing them as fast as they hire and train. The pay isn't competitive and it's extremely political, cliquish and has a glass ceiling amongst other things

 

[Jim12]

Yep, MSP is so short-staffed they actually closed the Annapolis Barracks, they can't hire 66 more road officers to help protect the law-abiding citizens of Maryland, but they can afford to hire 66 people to help make Frosh's wet dream a reality.

IF THEY HIRED 66 NEW PEOPLE TO FIGHT CRIME, MAYBE THEY'D ACTUALLY SAVE ONE LIFE. ISN'T THAT OBAMA'S STANDARD?

sorry to shout. caps off.

 

[Jimbob2.0]

This is actually frightening. Lets look at the history, they hire 66 more people to deal with background checks and add fingerprinting that really wasnt done properly under the old standard.

Furthermore, more people more payroll, more diverted resources.

But lets look at the real issues

1. The legislature and govenor allowed a flawed bill to move forward on feel good vs do good standards
2. They let a backlog of law abiding citizens gun purchases build up, even though we are paying into a system where our fees should be able to accomodate our requests (e.g. volume isnt an issue more gun purchases = more staff to process to meet demand)
3. They sent out guidance permitting dealers to release guns on the 8th day, but they still control the NICS number which (non lawyer)
4. If dealers release without NICS in apparent violation of federal law where a NICS clearance is needed and some jackass does go nutzoid it emphasizes their case and not 2A supporters there is no accountability.

Its a recipe, deliberate or not, for disaster. If there is corruption here vs honest opinion.........it needs exposed.

This scares me to my bones.........and I believe in fair, open, democratic government.

 

[zoostation]

Actually, SB281 gave MSP and addtional 400 pin #'s for sworn Troopers. But seeing as they are already 400 + short, it's not realistic they will be to full authorized strength in any less than 8 years. It takes 8 months to train a Trooper to be able to somewhat function on their own and anothe 3-5 years on patrol to be seasoned. That's if they patrol in a County that has a sharp learning curb like Prince George's. And the attrition rate is attrocious. They are losing them as fast as they hire and train. The pay isn't competitive and it's extremely political, cliquish and has a glass ceiling amongst other things

And O'Malley fired the last superintendent when he told him that MSP just couldn't go down in strength any more and get the jobs done they needed to do.

Or so that's a rumor, I don't know anybody up there.......

 

[zoostation]

IF THEY HIRED 66 NEW PEOPLE TO FIGHT CRIME, MAYBE THEY'D ACTUALLY SAVE ONE LIFE. ISN'T THAT OBAMA'S STANDARD?

sorry to shout. caps off.

Imagine what they could do with 66 troopers assigned to work with kids in high risk areas. Or 66 troopers working in a school safety unit to identify and stop tragedies before they happen. Or 66 more troopers just plain out there on the road helping citizens across the state.

Nahhh, we need 66 people to instead go run redundant background checks that NICS already does for free and screw with the licensed dealers, so the MoCo delegation can feel all "progressive" and pat themselves on the back at quiche parties in their high dollar neighborhoods. And also of course so O'Malley can run for president. That's good ethical priority setting right there.

 

[04RWon]

Here is all the information I received from my research. Please, please, PLEASE! Challenge my information and use the numbers and email address to contact these people and verify the information. It does not get any easier that this.

Quick summary:
-MD law requires 7 days from the day the paperwork is submitted until the day the firearm is picked up.
-MSP has 7 days to issue a disapproval. If there is no response within 7 days, the firearm may be released.
-Federal law requires 3 days to receive a response for NICS. If no response is received, the firearm may be released.
-It is MSP's problem to retrieve a firearm from a prohibited person. This is not a kick down the door at midnight process. MSP will contact the person and ask who they would like to transfer the firearm too. (Im sure if someone on the FBI's most wanted list bought a firearm the door kicking may be an option)
-MD law automatically puts you in compliance with Federal law.




ATF:

On 5/1/2013, I spoke with the ATF. I called 202-648-7090 EXT 5. I was transferred the voicemail for a "Specialist". I received a call back from the phone number 202-648-9999. He confirmed that MSP is correct, after 7 days the firearms may be released. He explained that MD law is more restrictive than Federal. So as long as the FFL is compliant with MD, he is ok. He also confirmed that it IS MSP and ATF that will come get the firearm. However, they WILL NOT be kicking down your door. It actually is them saying you cant own it, who do you want to transfer it too. He would not give me his name. He told me the same thing that Thomas Williams from MSP told me. That all this information is on the paperwork, the NICS website, and I believe the ATF website as well. He also said this is all compliant within the Brady Law. He wont give anything on official letterhead because its already printed in the laws. REPEAT THIS IS ALREADY PRINTED IN THE CURRENT LAWS. HE COULD NOT STRESS TO ME ENOUGH THAT FFL'S SHOULD KNOW THESE LAWS SINCE THEY ARE SUCH A BIG DEAL FOR THEIR BUISNESS.


MSP

Here are the emails I exchanged with Thomas Williams from MSP. You can see his email address, the date, and time of the emails. Please, feel free to challenge this info and contact him yourself.

Why dont you have your ffl call?

On Apr 30, 2013 9:21 PM, <xxx@yahoo.com> wrote:
I appreciate your assistance. Just one more question. I just want to be clear. This means that a NICS transaction number has not been aquired by the 7th day and its still legal for the FFL to release the regulated firearm. I know this is slightly repetitive to what I have asked but this is basically how my FFL asked me to word it.
Thanks,
John


On Apr 30, 2013, at 21:03, Thomas Williams -State Police- <thomas.williams@maryland.gov> wrote:

The ffl is well aware of the law. He knows what he is doing and in his defense he does not wish to release a firearm unless he has some assurances the person is not prohibited. Your ffl already has the phone number for the Licensing Division as well as the contact persons information. He is certainly welcome to call me but he already knows the answers.
Tom

On Apr 30, 2013 8:30 PM, <xxxx@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thank you for the reply. Would it be possible to recieve that on a document to show to my FFL? Or possibly a contact phone number incase they have any questions?
Thanks,
John


On Apr 30, 2013, at 19:51, Thomas Williams -State Police- <thomas.williams@maryland.gov> wrote:

That is correct. A licensed firearms dealer may release the firearm after 7 days if they have not received a hold or disapproval from the MSP.

On Apr 30, 2013 4:45 PM, <xxxx@yahoo.com> wrote:
Good afternoon sir,

I sent an email to you previously, however I'm not sure that it went through. If it did, I'm sorry to have sent this one as well. I am inquiring about a email that was posted that is said to be from you. The email states that Maryland FFL's may release a regulated firearm after the 7 day wait without getting a response from Maryland State Police. I dont believe everything I see on the internet and wanted to go to the source to verify the information. If this is true, would it be possible to get official documentation, perhaps on Maryland State Police letterhead and get it to FFL's? I would also like volunteer my services to assist in any way of getting this information out there or assisting in any way with the transfer application process. Thank you for your time, and I hope to hear from you soon.

Thanks,
John

 

[Jim12]

Imagine what they could do with 66 troopers assigned to work with kids in high risk areas. Or 66 troopers working in a school safety unit to identify and stop tragedies before they happen. Or 66 more troopers just plain out there on the road helping citizens across the state.

Nahhh, we need 66 people to instead go run redundant background checks that NICS already does for free and screw with the licensed dealers, so the MoCo delegation can feel all "progressive" and pat themselves on the back at quiche parties in their high dollar neighborhoods. And also of course so O'Malley can run for president. That's good ethical priority setting right there.

It's stunning. It's scandalous. It ought to result in the political downfall of the regime.

But it won't. This is Marylandistan.

 

[ohen cepel]

To make it even more painful, I would guess those 66 new employees will cost about $100,000ea (when including training, taxes, benefits, future retirement, etc). Which is $6.6 MILLION a year in tax money they will throw down the drain to just mess with the law abiding people of this state.

Yes, $100k may not be accurate, but I would bet it's close enough for this gov't work.

 

[Navyblue]

100k is a spot on number for burdened labor.

 

[PJDiesel]

Imagine what they could do with 66 troopers assigned to work with kids in high risk areas.
Or 66 troopers working in a school safety unit to identify and stop tragedies before they happen.
Or 66 more troopers just plain out there on the road helping citizens across the state.

1) yeah
2) Yeah!
3) Yea,.......uh, errrr,..... No Thanks.

 

[Benanov]

1) yeah
2) Yeah!
3) Yea,.......uh, errrr,..... No Thanks.

And they're not troopers as it is...